
Reform did well, but no triumph is ever unqualified. The only party that benefits from hyping the result is Farage himself. In a reverse of last July's election result, in many council seats Reform won where Labour and Tory votes splintered and, like that election, turnout was low - though not historically so in local government terms. The second point is the character of Reform's vote. As has been argued here since time immemorial, over the last 15 years local elections and by-election have had an inbuilt Tory advantage. I.e. As a party heavily dependent on elderly voters, it has benefited from their disproportionate commitment to turn out and vote. Pollsters' data tables repeatedly demonstrates how Reform has a very similar voter profile, though with a tendency to appeal a bit more to older working age people than the Tories managed. Farage's success is dependent on a certain amount of clout the party has among these cohorts, and that it would be diluted in a general election where greater turnout, to a degree, depresses the influence older/retired voters exercise. Thirdly, how deep is Reform's support? In a conjuncture where Labour has made itself repulsive to older people, and the shambles the Tories have become speaks for itself, how much of this is driven by middle finger/burn-the-house-down nihilism? Immigration has always been a stand-in for a bucketful of grievances and is a condenser of concern. Therefore, if there are improvements in living standards and services and are seen to be improvements and are felt as such by the constituencies disposed toward Reform, Farage's support could prove temporary. At least that's what the data suggests.
But are we going to see movement in this direction? Labour, I suppose, are in a better position because they have the levers of government to hand and can pull on them to make the necessary differences. Unfortunately, while you even have awful right wingers like Jo White of the self-proclaimed Red Wall group dubbing the scrapping winter fuel payments Labour's "poll tax", Morgan McSweeney and Labour's big strategy brains are likelier to take notice on her call to get tough with grooming gangs. There are idiotic MPs punting for a watering down of Net Zero, and Keir Starmer himself says "he gets it" (gets what?) and that he'll go "further and faster" on his policy agenda. A politician acting in good faith and genuinely concerned about the results would have paused to think that perhaps it's those priorities that are the problem.
For the beleagured Kemi Badenoch, the task of turning it around for the Tories is much harder. How can she demonstrate change when the means for doing so are much more limited? Dave and Osborne had their fights over the Tory logo, and the superficial rebranding of the Conservatives as a socially liberal, pro-environment party. Badenoch and her stalking horse are boxed into a strategy where the Tories are trying to be more credible than Reform on the issues that Reform voters care about. It does make some sort of sense that they'd want to consolidate their base after a shattering defeat and an unprecedented challenge to their right, but going hard on immigration and anti-woke posturing cannot work because they have few means of demonstrating their efficacy. And while they do the Liberal Democrats carry on making inroads, turning what were their rural heartlands across England into new bases for a more moderate, inclusive centre right politics that the Lib Dems could well embrace. However, on Sunday's Laura Kuenssberg Badenoch said that, yes, people are angry with the Tories for their 14 years in office, but politically nothing needs to change. She even said twice that Britons needed to be having more children, referencing another social media obsession of the very online right.
While politics has changed, for both parties nothing has. Every election victory and defeat over the last five years has been interpreted as either vindication of a rightward turn or the outcome of not being right wing enough. Until their strategies are informed differently, more pain lies ahead for Labour and the Tories.
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We have leaders who refuse to argue on their actual positions- preferring to use electoral cynicism and obfuscation to win and implement the policies *they* like, which most people flagrantly don't.
The fact they lie about it only shows that even they know people don't want it, why are they surprised?
McDonnell put it perfectly:
> The problems with the strategy are so obvious, but the usual mechanisms for communicating signs of discontent are broken. In normal circumstances the feedback from Labour’s membership in the constituencies or from MPs and councillors would flag up an emerging problem.
> This self-correcting mechanism within the party failed to operate because the centralised control of the party under Starmer has meant that political debate in constituency Labour parties is closed down or ignored and dissent expressed by Labour MPs is met with threats of the withdrawal of the whip. As the large number of newly elected MPs took time to find their feet, it naturally meant that their voices have been relatively quiet.
The cause of this issue is the leadership – how shut off and out of touch it is with the party, and how they have completely cemented that situation by using central power – not reasoning and argument, to drag the party along with them.
A party so tightly controlled from the top will keep walking into rakes when those at the top have proven themselves to be pathological liars with no real ideological direction consistent with the party as a political movement. Politics by media line is never going to get them out of this.
Surely no need for Labour to worry. Afterall they have a strategic genius to guide them to victory. He is more than a match for that other strategic genius, Cummings, who guided the Tories to victory after victory!
Here are the absolute numbers for the elections and the recent by-election of the Runcorn seat:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runcorn_and_Helsby_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
2019: 48,418/68.2%: Con 17,838, Lab 23,617, LD 3,247, BXI 2,302, GRN 1,414
2024: 42,235/59.7%: Con 6,756, NLab 22,358, LD 2,149, RUK 7,662, GRN 2,715
2025: 32,655/46.2%: Con 2,341, NLab 12,639, LD 942, RUK 12,645, GRN 2,314
I have also updated to 2024 the results for some relatively recent by-elections:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somerton_and_Frome_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
2001: 52,684/69.3%: Con 22,315, NLab 6,113, LD 22,983, UKI 919
2005: 54,102/70.7%: Con 22,947, NLab 5,865, LD 23,759, UKI 1,047
2010: 60,612/74.3%: Con 26,976, NLab 2,675, LD 28,793, UKI 1,932
2015: 60,309/72.2%: Con 31,960, NLab 4,419, LD 11,692, UKI 6,439
2017: 63,892/75.8%: Con 36,231, Lab 10,998, LD 13,325
2019: 64,896/75.6%: Con 36,230, Lab 8,354, LD 17,017, RUK 0, GRN 3,295
2023: 38,788/44.2%: Con 10,179, NLab 1,009, LD 21,187, RUK 1,303, GRN 3,944
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selby_and_Ainsty_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
2010: 51,728/71.1%: Con 25,562, NLab 13,297, LD 9,180, UKI 1,635, BNP 1,377
2015: 52,804/69.4%: Con 27,725, NLab 14,168, LD 1,920, UKI 7,389, GRN 1,465
2017: 56,222/74.1%: Con 32,921, Lab 19,149, LD 2,293, UKI 1,713
2019: 56,418/71,7%: Con 22,995, Lab 13,858, LD 4,842, RUK 0, GRN 1,823
2023: 35,886/44.8%: Con 12,295, NLab 16,456, LD 1,188, RUK 1,332, GRN 1,838
2024: 49,229/63.1%: Con 12,593, NLab 22,788, LD 1,792, RUK 9,565, GRN 2,484
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uxbridge_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
2010: 45,076/63.3%: Con 21,748, NLab 10,542, LD 8,995, UKI 1,234, BNP 1,396
2015: 44,811/63.4%: Con 22,511, NLab 11,816, LD 2,215, UKI 6,346, GRN 1,414
2017: 46,694/66.8%: Con 23,176, Lab 18,862, LD 1,835, UKI 1,577, GRN 884
2019: 48,187/68.5%: Con 25,531, Lab 18,141, LD 3,026, UKI 283, GRN 1,090
2023: 31,000/46.2%: Con 13,965, NLab 13,470, LD 526, REC 714, GRN 893
2024: 45,914/61.4%: Con 16,012, NLab 16,599, LD 1,752, RUK 6,610, GRN 4,354
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutherglen_and_Hamilton_West_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
2010: 46,981/61.5%: Con 4,540, NLab 28,566, LD 5,636, UKI 675, SNP 7,564
2015: 57,615/69.6%: Con 4,350, NLab 29,304, LD 1,045, UKI 1,301, SNP 30,729
2017: 50,872/63.5%: Con 9,941, Lab 19,101, LD 2,158, UKI 465, SNP 18,836
2019: 53,794/66.5%: Con 8,054, Lab 18,545, LD 2,791, UKI 629, SNP 23,775
2023: 30,477/37.2%: Con 1,192, NLab 17,485, LD 895, GRN 601, SNP 8,399
2024: 42,484/58.5%: Con 2,420, NLab 21,460, LD 1,714, RUK 2,685, SNP 12,693
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
2005: 40,834/58.4%: Con 4,270, NLab 16,345, LD 16,787, BNP 1,773
2010: 45,907/57.4%: Con 8,305, NLab 16,699, LD 15,810, UKI 1,999, NFR 2,236
2015: 45,430/57.4%: Con 7,742, NLab 20,961, LD 4,667, UKI 8,519
2017: 50,044/64.1%: Con 14,216, Lab 29,035, LD 4,027, UKI 1,641
2019: 47,447/60.1%: Con 14,807, Lab 24,475, LD 3,312, BXI 3,867
2024: 31,107/39.7%: Con 3,731, NLab 2,402, LD 2,164, Ind 6,638, WRK 12,335
«The cause of this issue is the leadership – how shut off and out of touch it is with the party»
It is hard for me to imagine why the leadership of the New Labour Party, which seems to aim to be a membership-free marketing organization like the USA Democratic Party (or the Change UK Party some time ago) would need to care to be in touch with the "trot" members of their rival Labour Party.
«Every election victory and defeat over the last five years has been interpreted as either vindication of a rightward turn or the outcome of not being right wing enough.»
Perhaps for the past 40 years, except for 2010 when Cameron pushed the “the superficial rebranding of the Conservatives as a socially liberal, pro-environment party” as Hague, IDS, Howard, were thought to be too right-wing (when instead the unpopularity was because of the memory of the property crash of the 1990s).
«Reform did well, but no triumph is ever unqualified.»
It may be the usual protest vote, as in the 2019 EU elections when BXP came first and the Conservatives fourth, or the 2004 local elections in which the Conservatives got 40% and New Labour come third after the LibDems.
Or maybe many Conservative voters will consider Reform UK a viable alternative to the Conservatives with less contamination by cameronian whig liberalism.
These local elections were in term of popularity a big success for tory thatcherism as a whole (Conservatives+Reform UK) and a significant defeat for whig thatcherism (New Labour+LibDems) even if New Labour is trying hard to become less whig and more tory on "values and identity".
> "These local elections were in term of popularity a big success for tory thatcherism as a whole (Conservatives+Reform UK) and a significant defeat for whig thatcherism (New Labour+LibDems) even if New Labour is trying hard to become less whig and more tory on "values and identity"."
Were they? How does that work?
The majority of seats up for election were previously held by Tories. Reform took about as many as the Tories lost, and meanwhile the Lib Dems took about as many as Labour lost (and doubled their count). So if your political analysis is based upon lumping Reform with Tories and Lib Dem with Labour, then it's basically a draw. Plus ça change.
"A parliamentary by-election that should have been routine for the government"
Um, the previous MP was caught on camera attacking a constituent and almost got a prison term!
Even if Labour weren't in such a wretched state, that by-election would probably still be at least a little bit awkward. Safe seat or not.
Don't forget Scottish Labour's politcal genius, Jim Murphy. He was predicted to see off the SNP in 2015. Not sure that went as well as expected. I am sure he is available to give his pal, Kier, advice.
I see Labour social media accounts already trialling the "vote Labour or get Reform" line (and getting thoroughly ratioed for it).
And I just thought: why on earth don't the Greens try the same thing, anywhere that they have any voter base to speak of...? "Vote Green or get Reform" rings a hell of a lot truer when all the Labour voters are holding their noses with a vice, and KNOW that all the other Labour voters are holding their noses with a vice too, and fear (with great justification) that no vice is strong enough to get many more to vote for this version of Labour.
There are places now where the Tory vote is so demoralised that Reform can believably claim "vote Tory, get Labour". The Greens have a golden opportunity to do the same thing to Labour, if they have the brains and the stomach for it.
There was a one for one relabelling of Tory seats into Reform seats. The total number of seats of the reactionary nationalist parties – Reform, Conservative and Blue Labour - fell by a net 185, whilst the number of seats held by the more progressive bourgeois parties -Liberals and Greens – rose by a net 205. Overall, therefore, the reactionary nationalist parties suffered a setback, and the more progressive bourgeois parties advanced, at the expense of the Conservatives and Blue Labour.
You are quite right that these were low polls, and flatter the position of Reform. But, its quite likely that come a General Election, it will be Reform that will be seen as the main Right-wing Party, supplanting the Tories, many of whom have already jumped ship or are about to, just as other Conservatives are jumping ship in the other direction to the Liberals.
So, a poorer performance in a General Election for reform can't be counted on, in terms of votes and vote share, as the Conservative Party evaporates as I suggested some months ago. Moreover, for similar reasons, a better performance by Labour can't be counted on either. It has already shed a large part of its core progressive vote to the Liberals and Greens, and come the next election that process is likely to have progressed further unless Starmer and Blue labour are removed, and a sharp change in direction brought about, as happened with Corbyn in 2015, though hopefully, this time, with the lessons of that adventure learned.
Already, in many places, in these elections, Liberals and Greens, individually supplanted labour as the main repositories of progressive votes, and even more so when the votes of those two were combined. Increasingly, they will be able to argue that a vote for Blue Labour is a vote for Reform, by splitting the progressive vote, hastening the collapse of Labour. This was all very predictable, and indeed, I set out the dynamic some time ago. Left unchecked, the progressive vote will simply migrate to the Liberals and Greens. I doubt the Blair-Rights will sit idly by. They will try to remove Starmer, and/or seek an alliance with the Liberals and Greens, especially with the Liberals having absorbed a large chunk of the social-democratic wing of the Conservative Party.
That can't be right, because Reform simply replaced Tories one for one. At the same time, a Labour party dominated not by Blair-Right (New Labourism) but by Blue Labour reactionary nationalism, racism and jingoism, i.e. no different ideologically to the Tories or Reform, itself lost seats to the Liberals and Greens, whose position is closer, ideologically to Blair-Right New Labourism. Blue Labour lost 186 seats (not to Reform, which gained all its seats directly from the Tories) whilst the Liberals and Greens gained 208 seats, i.e. a more or less straight transfer of Labour seats to Liberal or Green seats.
@Bliss - what exactly is that barage of statistics supposed to tell us? Apart from you can cut and paste from wikipedia? Congratulations on that, by the way. Now turn that in to a short, pithy and convincing thesis (no more than 200 words). It's all about the narrative, don't you know!
Actually, don't bother because yours will be blah blah property blah. Although, given all of Tory, Reform, Labore and LibDem are fine with houses as financial assets and pump up the FIRE sector, its tricky to see how that explains the wild fluctuations in votes.
Maybe, just maybe, people have multiple motivating issues? Here giving the mainstream a fat finger seems primary. It's all about the "go and F*** yourselves" factor. Aka " My life is sh*t so why shouldn't yours be too?".
I'm thinking of starting a party with that as my main policy. The Spite party - "let's make everyone we don't like suffer". "Unity in hatred". "Stop the Clocks". "Reverse into the future". "The only good immigrant's our chairman". "Know your place, then get back to it". "New ideas not welcome here". "If a job's not killing you it's not worth doing". "We want all the sh*t jobs, just so you can't have them". "This craphole is Our craphole, so hand's off!" "Think inside the box". "Get up and Go - No, seriously!". "Change - just say no!". "Advance but face backwards". "Building a better Britain, one lynching at a time". "The only culture is Agriculture". "We will fight them on the beaches, we will fight them in the immigration detention centres, we will fight them in the hostels, we will fight them in the day centres and hospitals, we will never remember (what that whole 1939-45 things was about anyway, other than an opportunity to parade and flag wave)."
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