tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post997944212139987128..comments2024-03-27T09:14:27.496+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: UKIP, Politics, and PopulismPhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-25281113493435295432014-05-27T19:16:07.688+01:002014-05-27T19:16:07.688+01:00The EU is a giant combine devoted to miscegenation...The EU is a giant combine devoted to miscegenation? Crackpot arguments of the far right have taken a quality nosedive of late.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-41385790881255369142014-05-27T12:20:07.518+01:002014-05-27T12:20:07.518+01:00You don't seem to "get it". UKIP ar...You don't seem to "get it". UKIP are not the racist party. They want the British to be an identifiable "race" that is not threatened by absorption into an International combine such as the EU.<br /><br />The true racists are the Internationalists (pro-EU, Lab, Lib-Dem, some Tories) who see the "final solution" to be the abolition of social diversity by first abolishing Sovereign Nations in Europe and then extending this scheme until the world is full of coffee coloured people singing the same song. See <a href="http://tinyurl.com/nctqauw" rel="nofollow">Are Internationalists the Ultimate Racists?</a> for more discussion.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07442010719863995872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-47630209955840182732014-05-05T19:06:20.386+01:002014-05-05T19:06:20.386+01:00I think we agree more about this than the reading ...I think we agree more about this than the reading of my post suggests. I've been emphasising the roots of insecurities because there are still some - too many - in the Labour Party who haven't a clue about how anxiety arising from precarity poisons politics. But yes, there is cultural uncertainty as well that can only be separated out <i>analytically</i> - in reality it clings together in a sticky, inseparable mess. <br /><br />Anyway, I have something coming up about nationalism this evening.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-62400691975649724642014-05-04T22:05:11.541+01:002014-05-04T22:05:11.541+01:00Although on reflection i do see your point about e...Although on reflection i do see your point about economics as an underlying condition in a lot of nationalism. But the wc tends to draw its values from national and cultural sources while the mc from universal. So the kind of things ukip stands for are much more meaningful to the wc than mc. Which is why i disagree with your weighting. Speedynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-56271050642122424122014-05-04T21:39:25.912+01:002014-05-04T21:39:25.912+01:00Sorry, i missed this. Yes i can see that. However ...Sorry, i missed this. Yes i can see that. However throughout thatcher and subsequent recessions i cant recall the kind of antagonism i witness, and this is among wc people in the south and midlands - never really unionised, not on the whole less economically insecure than before. Many better off than ever before. <br /><br />I can see where you are coming from, but i think materialism - like brown's campaign against poverty by upping benefits - partly misses the point. People are of course profoundly influenced by economic factors but there are other factors which have at least equal weighting. Power should be measured in terms of the cultural, communal and even spiritual as much as financial. Speedynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-28798661748338261682014-05-01T10:48:44.841+01:002014-05-01T10:48:44.841+01:00You're partly right anonymous. There is someth...You're partly right anonymous. There is something very English about UKIP, and it speaks to all that is backward and spiteful in that identity. Though I would love to know what is specifically English about Englishness that other nationalities do not share.<br /><br />I digress. UKIP have nothing to offer English people except flag waving Thatcherism on steroids. Does none of that matter to you?Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-67699075884947065162014-05-01T10:46:41.324+01:002014-05-01T10:46:41.324+01:00It has everything to do with economics, Speedy. I ...It has everything to do with economics, Speedy. I suspect you cannot see it because you understand economics narrowly in terms of balance sheets, wage struggles, and so on.<br /><br />Yes, there are large numbers of people who are anxious about mass immigration. There are plenty who find the world in which they live profoundly changed and alienating. It's not as if I haven't written about this before.<br /><br />Underlying it is a deep sense of insecurity. Where does this come from? I would contend it has quite a bit to do with the cultural consequences of fundamental shifts in the political economy of our society. Is it pure coincidence that the rise of a politics of fear coincides with the breakdown of social solidarities and institutional arrangements that underpinned the post-war social order? Should we be surprised that people are worried about immigrants taking their jobs as hire and fire, zero hour contracts, the prevalence of low waged work, etc. has come to the fore?<br /><br />It's all very well taking things at face value. But you've got to look beneath the surface.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-47990826883396559552014-04-28T18:38:15.746+01:002014-04-28T18:38:15.746+01:00This seems to miss the point of UKIP entirely.
I ...This seems to miss the point of UKIP entirely.<br /><br />I say that as an ex core Labour voter who now votes UKIP and would NEVER return to voting Labour. <br /><br />UKIP has become as researchers found the repository for English National feeling.<br /><br />No other political party is able to damage UKIP because none of them offer anything to England.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-25944759110713635052014-04-28T06:43:26.477+01:002014-04-28T06:43:26.477+01:00You're the sociologist, right? But your analys...You're the sociologist, right? But your analysis seems a bit blinkered by ideology in this case.<br /><br />You are right to say ukip voters grew up in a "benign" climate but what do you mean by that?<br /><br />Ukip feel threatened by the nation the uk has become - in particular political correctness, multiculturalism and the eu (which is a usefulbscapegoat for concern about the other twio). Nothing to do with economics. <br /><br />As Simone Weil wrote people have a need for "roots". A common trope is the uk has somehow been "lost". Ukipers are not necessarily racist but they deeply resent the homogeonisation of society and the loss, as they see it, of their identity. <br /><br />Responses to this cone from brown's britisness to cameron's christianity. Maybe they are also behind scotland's independence. <br /><br />But don't bother about tax and spending. What people need (the whole country needs) is something to belive in. The uk - which was always a tribal as opposed to ideological society like france or the us - needs a new sense of itself. Speedynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-769629592115567982014-04-27T16:59:31.569+01:002014-04-27T16:59:31.569+01:00We should forget their racism and anti European st...We should forget their racism and anti European stance, let this speak for itself. What we should do is focus on their tax policies, their labour policies and their policies for pubic services. This is where UKIP will come unstuck. But as long as the focus is on immigration or Europe then UKIP will always chime with a certain section of the population.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com