tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post8652583092906372609..comments2024-03-29T07:14:55.029+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: Fantasy IslandsPhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-88278012610215135102009-09-24T19:37:07.016+01:002009-09-24T19:37:07.016+01:00load those torpedoes shipmate...load those torpedoes shipmate...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-27675654129550375592009-09-18T17:43:24.484+01:002009-09-18T17:43:24.484+01:00I will try posting this again?
Phil,
I never sai...I will try posting this again?<br /><br />Phil,<br /><br />I never said anything about recognition but if a slave recognises he is a slave then he is more likely to do something about it.<br /><br />Marxism is supposed to be about stripping away the façade of bourgeois relations, not complicating them with post modernist twaddle!! (no offence meant)SamGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-40979384077564432492009-09-18T09:04:09.846+01:002009-09-18T09:04:09.846+01:00Ah, the master/slave dialectic of mutual recogniti...Ah, the master/slave dialectic of mutual recognition makes a triumphant return!<br /><br />I still don't believe it's possible for the super rich to escape, unless we bundle them on a starship and send them on a one way trip to Alpha Centauri.<br /><br />Freedom Ships appear to realise "libertarianism's" dream of a capitalist society composed solely and entirely of capitalists. But to maintain them you need a cadre of workers on board the ship, workers to fly the super rich in and out, workers to supply the ships in port. And also these super rich will have vast share holdings in companies that daily exploit surplus labour.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-44869652345338871922009-09-17T13:42:43.501+01:002009-09-17T13:42:43.501+01:00Phil,
The statment begins, "it is not possib...Phil,<br /><br />The statment begins, <b>"it is not possible for anybody to escape responsibility for other people in the age of globalisation where we are all so completely inter-connected."</b><br /><br />This seems pretty clear cut to me and wrong. It is possible for the super rich to escape!!<br /><br /><b>"this enormous responsibility is precisely what generates the fantasy of escape"</b><br /><br />Maybe I am missing something here but right wing libertarianism, like social darwinism is not some guilt trip but a definite set of beliefs, these people really do think they are superior!<br /><br />And it is this feeling of superiority that gives their existence meaning, without these lower classes how would they feel superior!SamGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-70419369508393741242009-09-17T08:58:27.103+01:002009-09-17T08:58:27.103+01:00I think you mistake what Mark's saying here. I...I think you mistake what Mark's saying here. In contemporary "libertarianism" is a utopian desire of the bourgeoisie to escape the working class that makes their existence possible - Mark isn't so naive to assume the Richard Bransons of this world will bail our class out of the mess capitalism has made of this planet!Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-63227309606737899452009-09-16T13:23:49.510+01:002009-09-16T13:23:49.510+01:00“…it is not possible for anybody to escape respons...<b>“…it is not possible for anybody to escape responsibility for other people in the age of globalisation where we are all so completely inter-connected. Bauman makes this point in many of his books – the radical inter-relatedness of everybody under conditions of globalisation means that we are all responsible for everybody else and that this enormous responsibility is precisely what generates the fantasy of escape in not only the world’s selfish individuals, but also everybody else who cannot but be responsible for the miseries of the global poor.”</b><br /><br />My problem with this statement is that it assumes some kind of equality, which clearly doesn’t exist. The rich will not only be able to mitigate against the worst affects of climate change, they really show only tokenistic concern for the poor. Freedom for the poor will not come about by the altruistic actions of the rich, but by their own self emancipation!<br /><br />The fantasy of escape is also a product of human imagination combined with the leisure time to imagine or enjoy it.SamGnoreply@blogger.com