tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post8420580060001357201..comments2024-03-27T09:14:27.496+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: Tristram Hunt on the Coalition's ProspectsPhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-85565551837264159042010-10-20T21:04:58.046+01:002010-10-20T21:04:58.046+01:00One moment, the criteria for being a Labour Counci...One moment, the criteria for being a Labour Councillor in Stoke-on-Trent is that you live in the City. Therefore all the Labour Councillors bar one who moved out of the City but grew up in the CIty and works in the City are local Labour Councillors.Andrea Tinsleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-22024396359150202752010-10-12T08:20:10.262+01:002010-10-12T08:20:10.262+01:00Too simplistic Phil.
What will happen is that Tory...Too simplistic Phil.<br />What will happen is that Tory led Councills will do Cameron's bidding and cut front line services.<br />Labour led Councils will follow suit and cut front line services.<br />Labour/Conservative coalition Councils will blame each other(at election time) but cut services with nothing more than a wimper.<br /><br />Leaving Ed Miliband looking stupid and the only opposition to it all will come from local born and bred candidates and Councillors.<br /><br />In Stoke we have about five local people within Labour, running Labour. The rest will do what is expected of them and do nothing.<br />Apart from Cut our front line services, that is.<br />Now what do you think my crew would have done, if we hadn't run off?Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-18694703299017270302010-10-11T18:42:38.768+01:002010-10-11T18:42:38.768+01:00Ed Miliband says he will oppose cuts he thinks are...Ed Miliband says he will oppose cuts he thinks are too deep and too dangerous. He would like to see more deficit reduction come from taxes on the banks and the wealthy (those what these are, beyond an increased bank levy, he hasn't spelt out). There will be some cuts the coalition makes that he thinks are supportable.<br /><br />I don't agree with that position. But there's nothing confusing about it.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-46430433302494389352010-10-11T17:53:15.501+01:002010-10-11T17:53:15.501+01:00Hang on a minute here.
There is a difference betwe...Hang on a minute here.<br />There is a difference between cut's to future funding and to cuts to current funding.<br /><br />Cameron is cutting front line services and cutting current funding.<br /><br />No what is Ed Miliband agreeing to? <br /><br />How about our Labour/Conservative Council. What is being mooted for cuts here? Can we guess?<br />1. Cuts to future funding?<br />2. Cuts to front line services and current funding?<br />Which will Pervez go for, Cameron or Ed?<br />I can't wait for this lot to knock on my door.Vote Labour, get Conservative.Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-89523183214363415112010-10-11T17:30:58.969+01:002010-10-11T17:30:58.969+01:00The thing is at the end of the day the Cuts are no...The thing is at the end of the day the Cuts are not necessary. There is nothing exceptional about the current deficit as I have shown in my blog <a href="http://boffyblog.blogspot.com/2010/10/uk-debt-facts.html" rel="nofollow">UK Debt Facts</a>.Boffyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08157650969929097569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-39581397548860029642010-10-11T13:47:04.409+01:002010-10-11T13:47:04.409+01:00You're confusing yourself Gary. Brown and Darl...You're confusing yourself Gary. Brown and Darling said there would be cuts. It's just that theirs wouldn't be as bad as the Tories.<br /><br />Throughout the campaign Ed Miliband was a bit shady on the cuts - the most he would say about them was Darling's plan to cut the deficit in half by the end of the parliament would be something to start from. Small wonder as the only credible deficit reduction plan from all the candidates was that pushed by Ed Balls - even now there has been no coherent critique of it from within mainstream politics.<br /><br />Unfortunately Ed Miliband has capitulated to the Westminster and medialand consensus on the needs for cuts by confirming the Darling plan, albeit with a little more wiggle room. <br /><br />It is my belief that making working class people pay for the crisis is unnecessary, ideological, and is overtly a class war move.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-44986933418892698602010-10-11T13:38:35.639+01:002010-10-11T13:38:35.639+01:00Let's rewind the video here.
The Tories had m...Let's rewind the video here.<br /><br />The Tories had more candidates elected on a 'cuts' manifesto than Labour did on a 'no cuts' manifesto.<br /><br />Labour (after refusing Government) then elected a new 'cuts' Leader.<br /><br />Ed Miliband: " I will agree to Government cuts, but not all cuts".<br />(Leader's speech Conference 2010).<br /><br />Am I now to believe that the only people telling the truth in May 2010 were Cameron and Osborne?<br /><br />This takes my breath away.Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-13827780305019661712010-10-11T13:27:44.055+01:002010-10-11T13:27:44.055+01:00Of course Brown and Darling weren't going to s...Of course Brown and Darling weren't going to say they would support Cameron's cuts because they were *the government* and Ed Miliband is heading *the opposition*. Ed Miliband has repeated the same criticisms Brown and Darling made of the Tories' proposals, but in the name of cuddly compromise he has blown the chance of backing an alternative economic policy to the cuts. It will be a decision that costs him and Labour dearly.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-25470735067106118572010-10-11T13:14:15.439+01:002010-10-11T13:14:15.439+01:00Brown and Darling did not support the cuts that Ed...Brown and Darling did not support the cuts that Ed Miliband now supports and they did not support the cuts being paraded during the last General Election by Cameron.<br />There is a difference between new spend, old spend and wasteful spending, of which the latter requires no redundancy. <br />Ed Miliband is supporting certain cuts by Cameron and I await the verdict of Brown and Darling.<br />Build on growth and reduce the defecit when appropriate was the Labour message and not that cameron was right all along.Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-83050161553810147132010-10-11T12:03:30.318+01:002010-10-11T12:03:30.318+01:00You may recall Alistair Darling talking about cuts...You may recall Alistair Darling talking about cuts "worse than Thatcher" under Labour if the party won the election. This was Alistair Darling, the chancellor: the man directing economic policy under Brown. So yes, Brown was committed to cuts as much as Ed Miliband is. It doesn't make either of them correct.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-88255525689186348042010-10-11T11:19:00.288+01:002010-10-11T11:19:00.288+01:00This 'love in' of political parties to rem...This 'love in' of political parties to remove this debt of menace.<br />Are we talking of the Tory/Liberal UK coalition or the Labour/Tory coalition of Stoke?<br /><br />Evidence is required where a Labour voter will vote Labour/Tory to ease this menace.<br /><br />It has never happened in Stoke and loss of power proves this. Campaigning for years, and during the last Labour/Tory coalition around here (Meredith against the Party) was a hapless enterprise that removed all key players and removed an Elected Mayor.<br /><br />This current coalition within Stoke has no public mandate and will be crucified in May 2011.<br /><br />The National coalition is slightly different. It has seen off a Labour party that chose to distance itself from taking power and absolve itself from protecting Union jobs and their threats of redundancy prior to the Election.<br /><br />Ed Miliband accepts cuts on behalf of Labour, of which Brown and co did not.Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-15048200462909833262010-10-11T10:48:41.107+01:002010-10-11T10:48:41.107+01:00Indeed.Indeed.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-44418416398102557122010-10-11T10:47:57.587+01:002010-10-11T10:47:57.587+01:00"the major boundary exercise which will, at a..."the major boundary exercise which will, at a stroke, snuff out 50 constituencies. By pure coincidence the majority of whom are Labour-held seats."<br /><br />Just goes to show how unfair the boundaries have become - were they fair, reduction in seat numbers would affect parties proportionally.Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14992173417106615152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-9459454347280378672010-10-11T09:13:08.913+01:002010-10-11T09:13:08.913+01:00Anon, there is certainly fear and anger circulatin...Anon, there is certainly fear and anger circulating around the labour movement at the moment re: the cuts to come. It is inevitable they will spark resistance in the form of strikes and protests. But they will only win if the trade unions are able to win over the bulk of public opinion, which is no easy task.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-39810760009468082412010-10-11T09:10:10.249+01:002010-10-11T09:10:10.249+01:00The only twaddle being talked here is yours my fri...The only twaddle being talked here is yours my friend. If you take the trouble to read what was written rather than satisfy yourself with a cursory glance, you might notice the comment about the 'emergency' nature of the coalition was contexualised by the crises previous coalitions had been formed under. Yes, there is a hung parliament, but are you denying the Tories and LibDems are hyping up the deficit to justify their political love-in? <br /><br />And as for your comments on the boundary review. Well ... seldom is such naivete in these comment boxes seen.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-10409680757313155512010-10-11T08:23:12.364+01:002010-10-11T08:23:12.364+01:00An utterly childish analysis.
"the deficit i...An utterly childish analysis.<br /><br />"the deficit is dressed up as a mortal economic menace demanding extreme measures - such as a coalition - to get rid of it."<br /><br />Rubbish. It's the hung Parliament that demands the coalition. I can imagine a Conservative minority government where the Lib Dems joined Labour in pseudo-lefty opposition, probably leading to the fall of that Government quite soon. Meanwhile while the politicians were playing silly beggars, the markets would have panicked and the economy tanked more.<br /><br />"And not forgetting the major boundary exercise which will, at a stroke, snuff out 50 constituencies. By pure coincidence the majority of whom are Labour-held seats."<br /><br />Not coincidence. Inner city seats are where the populations are declining. Equalising seats at boundary reviews always does this, reduction in seats or no.<br /><br />You carry on in your drivel that everyone hates the nasty Tories and the rest of us will get on with our lives.WHSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-67267549030163030192010-10-11T00:38:33.494+01:002010-10-11T00:38:33.494+01:00If the "new generation" is to be anythin...If the "new generation" is to be anything other than a marketing slogan, it could be the "new generation" of policy and strategy in a more open and cooperative way. The shadow cabinet has already been described as a coalition...<br /><br />What might appear to be a weakness on the part of Labour's new leader might actually be a strength. Recall Ed's Labourspace site, which allowed users to promote and vote on different policies. I suspect he'll have a similar approach when leading the cabinet - if only because it is a more efficient way of leading.<br /><br />In opposition, the Tories had some damaging in-fights as a result of Cameron's leadership style - in government it's expressing itself with the disasterous presentation of the child benefit cut for high earners.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11443724356434212172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-37210182356227388232010-10-11T00:12:13.954+01:002010-10-11T00:12:13.954+01:00Labour failed to be a coalition of its own members...Labour failed to be a coalition of its own members (attack dogs let lose on fellow party members. Not good) so really has nothing to offer anyone. Well, except maybe for false hope.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-77594397579946297182010-10-10T22:55:30.960+01:002010-10-10T22:55:30.960+01:00"Will come from outside Parliament", if ..."Will come from outside Parliament", if you mean the Unions and the workers then frankly I think your wrong, as in Thatchers period once the miners strike was over it was silence from the Unions, and when they did bark Thatcher normally gave way, I had the biggest wages rise under Thatcher then ever before.<br /><br />It does not matter if David Miliband had won, people had decided to make a change and nothing yet has changed my mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com