tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post7281694814974934036..comments2024-03-29T09:14:53.583+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: Saying the Quiet Part Out LoudPhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-61211099197153866602020-12-03T12:50:31.422+00:002020-12-03T12:50:31.422+00:00'The logic of your position is that these capi...'The logic of your position is that these capitalist state bodies should be able to look in detail into the activities of the AWL, perhaps they would wait until some big strike was taking place, and then declare that your own practices of democratic centralism, of expelling members who disagree with the party line, of censoring comments that you don't like, or even of refusing to accept Tories into your organisation breached some principle of equality.'<br /><br />The AWL don't accept Tories! Is this a new policy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-10002810146745001092020-12-02T11:21:36.173+00:002020-12-02T11:21:36.173+00:00What is the same about the Industrial Relations Ac...What is the same about the Industrial Relations Act and Equalities Legislation is where both replace the independence of the working-class - you know that central thing that Third Campers claim distinguishes them from the rest of the Left, but which actually always ends up with them supporting some bourgeois camp as cheerleaders - with a reliance upon or acknowledgement of the role of the capitalist state.<br /><br />But, then given that the AWL openly argues for reliance on the capitalist state to intervene against workers enemies in other countries, other than where those enemies are themselves in the camp of "democratic imperialism", and which now even opposes simple bourgeois-democratic demands for defunding the police, and instead defends the role of the capitalist police force, even as it is engaged in widespread racist attacks on communities, your argument is at least consistent with the collapse of your politics into bourgeois liberalism, moving rapidly rightwards from there.<br /><br />The logic of your position is that these capitalist state bodies should be able to look in detail into the activities of the AWL, perhaps they would wait until some big strike was taking place, and then declare that your own practices of democratic centralism, of expelling members who disagree with the party line, of censoring comments that you don't like, or even of refusing to accept Tories into your organisation breached some principle of equality.<br /><br />Its not that Marxists are in favour of ignoring equalities legislation, but that any real Marxist as opposed to the bourgeois liberals of the AWL, does not believe that !equality" is something that can be legislated into existence, and certainly not legislated into existence by our main enemy the capitalist state. Rather it has to be fought for and won, by an independent working-class, a principle that clearly you and the AWL abandoned a very long time ago.Boffyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08157650969929097569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-16942863173572393232020-12-01T18:00:43.327+00:002020-12-01T18:00:43.327+00:00Boffy: I should have thought that even you can und...Boffy: I should have thought that even you can understand the difference between the IRAct and Equalities legislation!<br /><br />But -strangely - you do have a semi-point: the logic of what a lot of the bleating from Corbynistas, the Morning Star and the likes of JVL is that the Labour Party should simply defy equalities legislation, but most of these people don't have the guts to actually argue for this openly.Jim Denhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01642992463679646250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-41651781347135866682020-12-01T15:32:32.720+00:002020-12-01T15:32:32.720+00:00"he EHRC report’s recommendations. The EHRC g..."he EHRC report’s recommendations. The EHRC gets to decide whether (the first draft of) the Action Plan is adequate. Not the Labour Party. Not a CLP. If the draft plan is not adequate, or not provided, the EHRC can initiate legal proceedings. That really doesn’t leave much room for debate."<br /><br />Well, what a good job, we didn't have to rely on Jim and the AWL, when the bourgeois state got involved in telling unions what they could and couldn't do, and how they should organise themselves internally. When the Industrial Relations Court got involved in jailing trades unionists, according to Jim and the AWL's new approach, there should have been no room for discussion, no room for activists to organise against such intervention by the bourgeois state in the affairs of the labour movement, we should have all rolled over and waited for our tummy to be tickled!Boffyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08157650969929097569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-63142984985577184952020-11-30T13:27:21.347+00:002020-11-30T13:27:21.347+00:00Well surely this is completely straightforward. Th...Well surely this is completely straightforward. The EHRC and other independent bodies are the experts in this matter. What could possibly be the objection to allowing independent experts to determine critical aspects of Labour Party process?<br /><br />Funny isn't it, how when you have skin in the game, you notice that those 'independent experts' aren't independent but have vested interest in increasing their own personal power and agency? And their expertise appears not to include asking the kind of obvious question you think would be the first anyone with any knowledge would ask.<br /><br />But then I'm a Tory Brexiteer, and I had enough of 'experts' years ago.Dippernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-36075224208051865972020-11-30T12:21:32.124+00:002020-11-30T12:21:32.124+00:00Hey Labour!
Been thinking there might be a bette...Hey Labour! <br /><br />Been thinking there might be a better way? <br /><br /> https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/why-pr-will-be-good-for-the-labour-party-with-prof-jeremy-gilbert-tickets-130928581913<br /><br />Tickets going rapidly. <br /><br />Alan Story for GET PR DONE! <br />https://www.facebook.com/groups/625143391578665/<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Alan Storyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07335333178667789651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-46914079155412833822020-11-30T12:10:08.675+00:002020-11-30T12:10:08.675+00:00The EHRC has served an Unlawful Act Notice on the ...The EHRC has served an Unlawful Act Notice on the Labour Party. The Labour Party has until 5.00pm on 10th December to provide the EHRC with the first draft of an Action Plan which implements the EHRC report’s recommendations. The EHRC gets to decide whether (the first draft of) the Action Plan is adequate. Not the Labour Party. Not a CLP. If the draft plan is not adequate, or not provided, the EHRC can initiate legal proceedings. That really doesn’t leave much room for debate. Jim Denhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01642992463679646250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-30344420197251119562020-11-30T11:48:18.139+00:002020-11-30T11:48:18.139+00:00"Wouldn't it be funny if the consequence ..."Wouldn't it be funny if the consequence of anti-Corbyn agitation turns out to be a new set up making shadowy, secretive, factional politics that much more difficult?"<br /><br />Hopefully yes but not if it's anything like the EHRC.levi9909https://www.blogger.com/profile/10553481056544494411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-3431068070316936362020-11-30T10:08:16.367+00:002020-11-30T10:08:16.367+00:00Very informative and detailed account. Thank-you.Very informative and detailed account. Thank-you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com