tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post6462733093462026328..comments2024-03-27T09:14:27.496+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: Lindsey German Resigns from SWP!Philhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-17041686579022445492010-02-15T21:37:35.723+00:002010-02-15T21:37:35.723+00:00leaking an email sent in official capacity to a pr...leaking an email sent in official capacity to a prominent member of the SWP? what next, voting for war credits?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-35645829977047390632010-02-14T13:15:43.077+00:002010-02-14T13:15:43.077+00:00I don't see how the two are mutually exclusive...I don't see how the two are mutually exclusive. But anyway, <a href="http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=5272#comments" rel="nofollow">here's</a> Martin's email to SWP members about Lindsey's resignation (just scroll down to #34 - I would post it here but Blogger has seen it fit to impose a 4,096 character limit on replies).Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-9108206976130903482010-02-13T10:10:49.013+00:002010-02-13T10:10:49.013+00:00"Burn in hell" was a sort of joke you kn..."Burn in hell" was a sort of joke you know! Not meant to be taken literally (I don't actually believe in hell).<br /><br />And you were taking the moral high ground because you said,<br /><br /><b>"If you're unethically obtaining private emails to facilitate the expulsion of socialists from a socialist organisation you cross a line."</b><br /><br />And this is misplaced as your following comment demonstrates,<br /><br /><b>"I know what interests my readership - they like the odd bit of gossip and sectariana inbetween my think pieces."</b>SamGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-28500957205608209782010-02-13T00:01:20.223+00:002010-02-13T00:01:20.223+00:00Kind of reminds me of an early Simpsons episode:
...Kind of reminds me of an early Simpsons episode:<br /><br />Kirk Van Houten: So, that's it. After 20 years, "So long, good luck."?<br /><br />Executive: I don't recall saying "Good luck."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-70970652902146022222010-02-12T22:23:41.896+00:002010-02-12T22:23:41.896+00:00Mere weeks after insisting that hacking into someo...Mere weeks after insisting that hacking into someone's email account, then printing out private emails from it, and then circulating those emails across the internet (with addresses still accessible) was all fine and dandy - it's hilarious to see the Jazz Club now shrieking with outrage that anyone should be so <em>mean</em> as to leak an email.<br /><br />Lols innit.<br /><br /><br /><br />The Night TripperAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-52943635545504265022010-02-12T19:49:19.935+00:002010-02-12T19:49:19.935+00:00Phil's right, it is a bit absurd for the exist...Phil's right, it is a bit absurd for the existing SWP leadership and Martin Smith to complain when emails are leaked.<br /><br />That’s what happens, this is the age of the Internet, not the 1890s.<br /><br />And if you’ve have been particularly devious, sectarian and stitched people up in the past, as apparently the SWP leadership has (including Martin Smith), then you really can't complain when rather mild tactics are employed against you<br /><br />What is good for the goose is good for the gander.<br /><br />However, what I find surprising is that Martin Smith is a professional politico.<br /><br />He does this for a living and yet he and the other SWP leadership seem pretty piss poor at political infighting, when they have no built-in advantage.<br /><br />So don't cry, or weep into your beer for the SWP leadership, they brought this situation about and a few emails are nothing to complain about, their capacious egos will probably suffer more than that by the end of this fiasco.modernityhttp://modernityblog.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-17396273114704517552010-02-12T19:19:01.336+00:002010-02-12T19:19:01.336+00:00This will definitely be of interest to everyone wh...This will definitely be of interest to everyone who's followed this. Lindsey discusses why she resigned <a href="http://luna17activist.blogspot.com/2010/02/lindsey-german-why-i-resigned-from-swp.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-7128086373413378862010-02-12T18:32:38.731+00:002010-02-12T18:32:38.731+00:00Who said I was taking the moral high ground? I cou...Who said I was taking the moral high ground? I couldn't give a shit really. I know what interests my readership - they like the odd bit of gossip and sectariana inbetween my think pieces.<br /><br />Btw, I've framed your absurd comment above ("go to hell") and will happily wheel it out whenever I see fit to demonstrate how unpleasant, hysterical and poisonous the SWP's keyboard warriors are.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-31270720692958329692010-02-12T17:50:05.530+00:002010-02-12T17:50:05.530+00:00A very public scoundrel said,
"If you're...A very public scoundrel said,<br /><br />"If you're unethically obtaining private emails to facilitate the expulsion of socialists from a socialist organisation you cross a line."<br /><br />Whereas if you obtain private emails to assist your sectarianism that is all fine and dandy.<br /><br />Your attempt to take the moral high ground is rather mistimed.SamGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-82905354778215776612010-02-12T17:02:26.136+00:002010-02-12T17:02:26.136+00:00I don't listen to the likes of ejh. He only ev...I don't listen to the likes of ejh. He only ever pops up when the SWP get some stick. If he was genuinely interested in the ethics of blogging he would have commented on previous posts that have touched on the topic.<br /><br />I see it like this. If you're unethically obtaining private emails to facilitate the expulsion of socialists from a socialist organisation you cross a line. You or your acolytes (however semi-detached they are) haven't got an ethical leg to stand on if the tables are turned and "sensitive" emails are passed on to bloggers. They may not like it but tough shit.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-17443220607962537162010-02-12T16:17:53.040+00:002010-02-12T16:17:53.040+00:00You heard it from ejh first, whistleblowing is une...You heard it from ejh first, whistleblowing is unethical.<br /><br />Phil, if you carry on like this SWP bureaucrats may have to think twice before acting like complete c*nts and purging their political opponents.Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17961828826925034002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-28252104638865263612010-02-12T14:51:36.945+00:002010-02-12T14:51:36.945+00:00Nope, you're doing precisely what I said you w...Nope, you're doing precisely what I said you were doing. It kind of compunds the ethical problem rather than addresses it.ejhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01582272075999298935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-49383380152666279972010-02-12T10:33:34.472+00:002010-02-12T10:33:34.472+00:00Just drawing notice to your blind spots, ejh.Just drawing notice to your blind spots, ejh.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-72181251258784575552010-02-12T08:57:53.733+00:002010-02-12T08:57:53.733+00:00I don't remember you going round attacking Mar...<i>I don't remember you going round attacking Martin Smith's use of private email correspondence to secure the expulsion of comrades like Alex and Clare.</i><br /><br />I shall file that one under Whatabouttery, which is not a commendation.ejhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01582272075999298935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-13048657501641905482010-02-11T22:44:50.082+00:002010-02-11T22:44:50.082+00:00I will miss her.I will miss her.David Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06451759418231631468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-67456622104142234292010-02-11T20:28:47.404+00:002010-02-11T20:28:47.404+00:00Re: SamG, there should be a law against letting di...Re: SamG, there should be a law against letting dickheads anywhere near the internet.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-85677330679484464202010-02-11T20:24:09.297+00:002010-02-11T20:24:09.297+00:00Oh come on, ejh. The whole point of being leaked s...Oh come on, ejh. The whole point of being leaked something is that you publish it.Red Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00858695355021361726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-53492480604259583552010-02-11T20:15:42.245+00:002010-02-11T20:15:42.245+00:00I really can't get my head around this 'sc...I really can't get my head around this 'scoop' and the name of your site "A VERY PUBLIC SOCIOLOGIST". The name suggest some sort of intellectual academic content but this piece of skulduggery suggests the cheap acts of the tabloid press.<br /><br />As for this being a nail in the weekly worker, yes to anyone interested in superficial 'scoops' and not interested in serious analytical argument.<br /><br />What a pathetic state of affairs.<br /><br />May you burn in hell!SamGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-28625681692811630772010-02-11T18:09:46.892+00:002010-02-11T18:09:46.892+00:00You might have a point regarding ethics, ejh, but ...You might have a point regarding ethics, ejh, but I don't remember you going round attacking Martin Smith's use of private email correspondence to secure the expulsion of comrades like Alex and Clare.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-76921972641547479302010-02-11T17:18:22.074+00:002010-02-11T17:18:22.074+00:00Well, this is an excellent scoop. And yet another ...Well, this is an excellent scoop. And yet another nail in the coffin of the Weekly Worker.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-47176804034835114582010-02-11T15:49:03.605+00:002010-02-11T15:49:03.605+00:00The turnover of members in the SWP is legend.
Many...The turnover of members in the SWP is legend.<br />Many years ago a loyal SWP comrade and friend said that there had been an estimate of 20 thousand ex-members ! (and that was around 20 years ago).<br />When I left (about seven years ago) nothing was said after 11 years membership, but when I was a student member some 30 years ago and Lyndsey was my local organiser she personally phoned me to stay in touch.<br />Now (if true) Lyndsey has gone. This seems to confirm my belief that the internal regime (or perhaps culture is a better word) in the SWP is it's own worst enemy.Halshallnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-19547885738060755092010-02-11T15:39:16.439+00:002010-02-11T15:39:16.439+00:00Phil - how happy would you be if your private emai...Phil - how happy would you be if your private emails were to be published on the internet? What are your criteria, do you think, for allowing yourself the breach of ethics which reproducing them entails?ejhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01582272075999298935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-6014782784275097442010-02-11T13:35:45.158+00:002010-02-11T13:35:45.158+00:00'I am responding to your letter of resignation...'I am responding to your letter of resignation you sent to me earlier today (my earlier acknowledgment was required for legal/banking purposes). '<br /><br />Read - I have been told that my earlier vindictive reply made me sound like a d*ck. Therefore I have been nagged into sending a completely inauthentic almost human reply instead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-89780945738536277422010-02-11T13:32:51.609+00:002010-02-11T13:32:51.609+00:00legal requirement my arse
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they didn't send ...legal requirement my arse<br />#<br /><br />they didn't send me any repoly at all when I resigned from the SWPandy newmanhttp://www.socialistunity.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-73902310697386784182010-02-11T13:23:53.005+00:002010-02-11T13:23:53.005+00:00The reply from Martin Smith was a legal requiremen...The reply from Martin Smith was a legal requirement. The actual response following this was as follows:<br /><br />Dear Lindsey, <br /><br /><br />I am responding to your letter of resignation you sent to me earlier today (my earlier acknowledgment was required for legal/banking purposes). <br /><br /><br />On behalf of the CC I would like to say that we regret very much your decision to leave the SWP. We are very surprised that you regarded this matter as a resignation issue. <br /><br /><br />As we made clear to you in our correspondence we felt the disagreements could have been resolved at a meeting between you and ourselves. <br /><br /><br />The question of disciplinary action was brought into the discussion by you, not by us. Your resignation is your personal choice and was not forced on you or demanded by the Central Committee. <br /><br /><br />I would also like to assure you that we will continue to build the Stop the War Coalition and where possible work with you in a constructive and positive way. <br /><br /><br />Martin Smith (SWP National Secretary)Stuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09693112123645610381noreply@blogger.com