tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post4169841315793920844..comments2024-03-27T09:14:27.496+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: Now What for the Labour Establishment?Philhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-40711386789136817842016-09-28T01:07:25.514+01:002016-09-28T01:07:25.514+01:00Steve,
'BCFG, if you dont think that abuse, b...Steve,<br /><br />'BCFG, if you dont think that abuse, bullying and intimidation isn't an everyday experience for many MP's - particularly women - then you really haven't been paying much attention.'<br /><br />Speaking for myself, I'm sure that Labour MPs are indeed often on the receiving end of abusive behaviour. I'm equally sure that it isn't solely a case of abuse of anti-Corbyn MPs by pro-Corbyn grassroots members of the party and that much of the abuse that Labour MPs have received doesn't even originate from within the Labour party. I also know that MPs aren't always the victims of abuse, and are, on occasion, its perpetrators (cough, cough, Tom Blenkinstrop, cough, cough, John Mann, cough, cough).<br /><br />'This is a real, serious issue in the party that shames us all.'<br /><br />I've no doubt that it is. However, I'm also fairly certain that it's not limited to any faction of the party.<br /><br />'The fact that Corbyn has failed so lamentably to show support for his MP's, or to bring forward measures that would bring some of this stuff under control is one of the reasons that I regard him as being unfit to lead our party.'<br /><br />Why? Did you take the same position in relation to any other party leader? If not, then why not? After all, I'm pretty sure that Labour MPs being on the receiving end of abusive and intimidatory behaviour dates back rather further than 12th September 2015.<br /><br />Could it be that you don't actually give a tinker's toss about the issue and are cynically exploiting it as a stick with which to bash Corbyn and his supporters? Hmmmm.David Parryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16543341419630019419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-48010977587191184362016-09-25T15:23:31.513+01:002016-09-25T15:23:31.513+01:00Fortunately there are big differences between disa...Fortunately there are big differences between disagreement, abuse and murder. If it gets to the stage where one is deemed equivalent or leading to the other, then politics is dead. Igor Belanovnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-6249679718236613852016-09-25T13:29:45.768+01:002016-09-25T13:29:45.768+01:00BCFG, if you dont think that abuse, bullying and i...BCFG, if you dont think that abuse, bullying and intimidation isn't an everyday experience for many MP's - particularly women - then you really haven't been paying much attention. This is a real, serious issue in the party that shames us all. The fact that Corbyn has failed so lamentably to show support for his MP's, or to bring forward measures that would bring some of this stuff under control is one of the reasons that I regard him as being unfit to lead our party.<br /><br />SteveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-7576902980741349682016-09-25T11:36:26.160+01:002016-09-25T11:36:26.160+01:00It's funny how, after the murder of Jo Cox, BC...It's funny how, after the murder of Jo Cox, BCFG should blame an MP like Jess Philips, who has received 25,000 abusive messages, of somehow manipulating this for her own purposes. <br /><br />But not funny ha ha. <br /><br />No wonder she feels she needs protection. Speedynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-78889900169128956822016-09-25T10:51:44.723+01:002016-09-25T10:51:44.723+01:00There are literally no depths to which the Blairit...There are literally no depths to which the Blairites will not plunge.<br /><br />A Blairite Jewish Labour MP has said they will be bringing a minder to the labour party conference, inferring that Corbyn's supporters are the equivalent of Nazi Brown shirts and fascist street thugs! This is the disgusting face of the Blairite enemy, who will use anti Semitism as simply a stick to beat down its enemies. This is how seriously they take anti Semitism!<br /><br />This is what we are up against, an enemy with a smiling face, an enemy that presents itself as the epitome of reasonableness, an enemy that claims it is being abused (see Yvette Cooper and Jess Phillips), an enemy that claims it is a victim of evil forces (see Yvette Cooper and Jess Phillips again), an enemy that knows no depths.<br /><br />We can clearly see the new tactic of the Blairites, present anything that doesn't give the PLP total control over the party as bullying, anti Semitism, authoritarianism, infiltration etc etc etc.<br /><br />Unfortunately, looking at the interviews some of Corbyn's supporters are staring into the smiling, reasonable face of the enemy (see Jess Phillips) and believing this smirking face of moral certainty can be reasoned with.<br /><br />IT CAN'T!<br />BCFGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-42568101479508375582016-09-25T01:47:39.097+01:002016-09-25T01:47:39.097+01:00"I feel a lot of love on this thread""I feel a lot of love on this thread"jim mcleannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-86542783311919313182016-09-24T12:27:12.478+01:002016-09-24T12:27:12.478+01:00By the looks of the interviews on the unfree media...By the looks of the interviews on the unfree media the Blairites will just continue with the tactic of sticking the knife into Corbyn at every opportunity and of course it goes without saying that the corrupt media will give them that platform.<br /><br />If Corbyn fails o view the centre left as THE enemy he may as well step aside now.BCFGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-83724789829389823192016-09-24T10:59:16.935+01:002016-09-24T10:59:16.935+01:00I suspect many MP's will adopt some form of ne...I suspect many MP's will adopt some form of neutrality. Stay on the back benches, dont criticise Corbyn - they made that mistake last time , dont rock the boat, work hard in Parliament holding the Govt to account and graft away in their constituencies. <br /><br />If they are smart and want to retain credibility, thats what I think most will do. Corbyn wont suddenly have won their confidence and its highly unlikely he ever will. Sit back and wait for him to fail is I think the strategy that most will employ, which is really what they should have done from the outset last year.<br /><br />They should also spend the time thinking hard about the kind of party they want and how Labour wins back power. The party desperately needs some fresh thinking in trying to work out the very serious predicament that it finds itself in.<br /><br />Corbyn's victory doesn't move us any closer to finding an irresistible mix of an electorally attractive, genuinely transforming social democracy. <br /><br />Steve Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-80526602177814095492016-09-24T09:26:54.195+01:002016-09-24T09:26:54.195+01:00Apparently Gordon Brown has come out to advise MP&...Apparently Gordon Brown has come out to advise MP's to stay and return to the Front Bench. The only reason I can see for JC taking some back is tactical and short term.<br /><br />The right know they have no options outside Labour at the moment. That doesn't mean they don't have a longer term perspective. Look at some of the recent commentary, for example on the misnamed "Left Foot Forward" about a Liberal resurgence. The Liberals are deader than the eponymous dead parrot, but they are massively over represented in the House of Lords, and like UKIP are given extensive coverage by the media, who also talk up such notions of a revival and the opportunity for the Labour Right to link up with them SDP style at some point. There is no resurgence, but that doesn't mean that another few months of operations by the Labour Right with media support cannot engender something that enables some kind of lash up.<br /><br />Lenin advised flexible tactics. Throw your opponent off guard, by making very short term alliances with one section of them against another, and then switch sides and so on. The PLP proposal for elections to the Shadcam, is designed to isolate Corbyn. But, he could take a few back to break the ranks of the opposition, and then replace them in a few months time. They are careerists. Set them against each other in competition for these posts, but keep them weak.<br /><br />In reality, we need very few Shadow Ministers, I reckon at most 10. Its only because politics has become a career that we are told that there has to be 100 front bench ministers. A part of the new politics should be to shrink the size of government, and to delegate many of those functions to wider society, and sections of the party outside Parliament. With half a million members and attendant resources that should be increasingly possible.<br /><br />But, that means also democratising the Party and democratising Momentum. If it becomes just another vehicle for the sects to fish for members, and to play out their childish fantasies it will quickly go the way of the Socialist Alliance, the SSP and every other potentially forward movement that the sects have wrecked.Boffyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08157650969929097569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-16822113215196474272016-09-23T23:19:31.583+01:002016-09-23T23:19:31.583+01:00Yes Minister quote comes to mind: "In defeat,...Yes Minister quote comes to mind: "In defeat, malice. In victory, revenge."Metatonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00175633633918800979noreply@blogger.com