tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post3106258682461315537..comments2024-03-27T09:14:27.496+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: Ralph Miliband on Conservative PartiesPhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-55531654348254340932019-07-17T22:03:26.004+01:002019-07-17T22:03:26.004+01:00"Ralph Miliband's (AKA Best Miliband)&quo..."Ralph Miliband's (AKA Best Miliband)"<br /><br />You can burnish your socialist credentials all you like, we all know you're just mad about being down a free owl.Lidl_Janusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-85181267230392291862019-07-17T16:18:28.387+01:002019-07-17T16:18:28.387+01:00Anonymous @ July 13 11:10
Corey Robin's book ...Anonymous @ July 13 11:10<br /><br />Corey Robin's book also immediately came to my mind after reading the Miliband quote.<br /><br />I need to go back to my copy of "The Reactionary Mind" and check the end notes. Robin explains how conservatism constantly pushes reforms in direct response to progressive movements. Usually co-opting the language and structural elements of the reforms directly from the progressive movements. Except refashioned to protect existing hierarchies of power. It looks as if Robin has read Miliband as part of Robin's project to distill the "true" nature of the conservative political movement.<br /><br />It seems like Miliband's "The State in Capitalist Society" will be well worth a read as part of a deeper dive in to the ideas and thinkers who Robin built on for "The Reactionary Mind".bbkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01099727870255840001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-48803170876230943962019-07-17T15:21:34.825+01:002019-07-17T15:21:34.825+01:00«Corey Robin's 'The reactionary mind' ...«Corey Robin's 'The reactionary mind' [...] seeks greater freedom for them but more coercion for everybody else.»<br /><br />That is just whig/identitarian propaganda, because C Robin argues that "reactionaries" (not necessarily the same as "conservatives") react against "emancipation" of those oppressed because of their identity (colour, gender, etc.).<br />As if the markets were an impartial and generous deity, and only reaction against against emancipation were what is holding back discriminated minorities.<br />It is also implicit in C Robin's argument that those who are already "emancipated" (for example low wage white male workers) get their just deserts from "the markets", or actually more than that, because of their privilege.Blissexnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-8346077725236018402019-07-17T11:10:41.767+01:002019-07-17T11:10:41.767+01:00Corey Robin's 'The reactionary mind' i...Corey Robin's 'The reactionary mind' is well worth the time to read as he does a wonderful job of showing that what animates a conservative is an idea that seeks greater freedom for them but more coercion for everybody else. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-63767802316708430212019-07-17T07:11:37.750+01:002019-07-17T07:11:37.750+01:00Miliband’s description of “toothless radicals” is ...Miliband’s description of “toothless radicals” is also spot-on. It so aptly describes all the people who claim to support Labour but not in its current form.SimonBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-48111663544167314022019-07-16T22:05:28.285+01:002019-07-16T22:05:28.285+01:00“remain primarily the defence organisations, in th...“<i>remain primarily the defence organisations, in the political field, of business and property. What they really 'aggregate' are the different interests of the dominant classes.</i>”<br /><br />R Miliband's can be generalized and is a bit obsolete, and my personal formulation is that conservativism is the protection of the interests of *incumbents*; since there are many different types of incumbency, and which ones are dominant changes with time, conservative politics and styles also change with time.<br /><br />“<i>the endorsement and promulgation of reform at the least possible cost to the existing structure of power and privilege</i>“<br /><br />More generally, incumbency from which power and privilege are derived. Power and privilege arising not out of incumbency (however rare that is) is not properly part of conservative politics (cfr. whiggism).Blissexnoreply@blogger.com