tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post2259859279689846636..comments2024-03-27T09:14:27.496+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: Ed Miliband Visits StokePhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-50374402351057550152010-08-05T11:01:36.809+01:002010-08-05T11:01:36.809+01:00By what standards are you judging him as a "f...By what standards are you judging him as a "failed Minister". In fact, as <a href="http://is.gd/dHcI1" rel="nofollow">this post</a> shows, his record as minister for climate change was one of the most radical things about the last government.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-64697153138024952662010-08-05T10:37:11.932+01:002010-08-05T10:37:11.932+01:00I note the questions you now say were asked, foren...I note the questions you now say were asked, forensically and intrusive and uncomfortable as I know you'd put them.<br />I also note that Central votes David!!<br /><br />I take it his answers were crap as the unsuccessful Minister he was.Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-24008746895147917402010-08-05T10:17:46.476+01:002010-08-05T10:17:46.476+01:00Thomas, there are thousands of Labour party member...Thomas, there are thousands of Labour party members involved in campaigns against the cuts, some in community campaigns, some in their workplaces. True, they're not as visible as SP or SWP activists, but then again they don't need to advertise their party affiliations in the same way. <br /><br />As for currents against the cuts, obviously the LRC are against. And on the soft left, so are Compass. Ken Livingstone has said he would use the London mayoralty to resist the cuts. And yesterday Tony Benn, other Labour MPs and various worthies <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/04/time-to-organise-resistance-now" rel="nofollow">launched a campaign</a>, and the Labour-affiliated unions are directly in the firing line. Just for the record, Tristram Hunt is currently campaigning against the closure of a local swimming pool and school.<br /><br />While these might not meet your criteria of simon pure anti-cuts activity, millions of working class people are looking to Labour for an alternative - something the "vanguard" of the class fails to understand.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-48430583056060049652010-08-05T09:44:25.290+01:002010-08-05T09:44:25.290+01:00Gary, further questions were asked on manufacturin...Gary, further questions were asked on manufacturing, getting young people into politics, privatisation of Royal Mail, vote reform, the environment, the NHS, and care - the sorts of things millions of working class people talk and worry about. I'm sure, if it could, the meeting would apologise for not asking the forensic and well formulated questions we all know you're capable of.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-83884036672917714932010-08-03T11:22:56.000+01:002010-08-03T11:22:56.000+01:00To answer your point, Housey, Labour will cut unde...To answer your point, Housey, Labour will cut under the guise of 'Coalition'.<br />Labour members will cheer Labour, knock on doors and telephone everyone to death.<br />True Socialists are fighting everything.<br />It's a laugh to read 'the Cabinet' says this or that in Stoke, but Labour (cabinet) says another.<br />Bollocks.<br />This is a Labour led coalition and a lie is a lie.<br /><br />Brother S:<br />Miliband cries that the special selections panel was "in place too long".<br />Burnham yelps that parachutes are "wrong".<br /><br />Truth is that CLPs should choose, as they always have done.<br />Puppet Parliamentarians give give puppy answers and get a treat.<br />Full of hobby projects and no substance for the workers.Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-44845068668626757732010-08-03T09:08:08.573+01:002010-08-03T09:08:08.573+01:00What does any of the potential leaders think about...What does any of the potential leaders think about Labour councils carrying out the ConDem cuts?<br /><br />Or about the privatisation of the NHS that their government continued?<br /><br />Where's the fight in Labour for even the most minor opposition to cuts and privatisation? Or is it just about cuts a year later and privatisation a little slower to companies that fund Labour rather than the Tories? Is that the best the labour movement in this country can aspire to, or are socialists remaining in Labour going to try to pass binding resolutions against cuts and privatisation?Houseynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-20211843258262077252010-08-02T13:09:14.172+01:002010-08-02T13:09:14.172+01:00Andy Burnham had a pop over the weekend about gold...Andy Burnham had a pop over the weekend about golden boys from London being parachuted into regional constituencies. Lol!Brother Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-6578531023865045852010-08-02T09:05:05.482+01:002010-08-02T09:05:05.482+01:00Why didn't anyone ask any real questions?
The ...Why didn't anyone ask any real questions?<br />The hoards of potential new members in Tunstall couldn't wait for an answer to the Israeli/EC question?Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-67760826302388434542010-08-02T01:54:19.337+01:002010-08-02T01:54:19.337+01:00Richard, read this speech on the jobs deficit: htt...Richard, read this speech on the jobs deficit: http://www.davidmiliband.net/2010/07/24/reducing-the-jobs-deficit/. It could easily have been made by Ed or any of the other candidates for leadership, for that matter. What I'm saying is - I can't see that the party's direction will be determined by its leader.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11443724356434212172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-88716358863671752002010-08-01T20:49:30.089+01:002010-08-01T20:49:30.089+01:00Goodness me James! Ed Miliband is the radical in c...Goodness me James! Ed Miliband is the radical in comparison to the moderate, unreformed Blairite David! Ed is a "radical" in the sense that he is willing to put values back at the heart of our party. This doesn't mean we're going back to 1983 but I sense from Ed is that he is the man and the leader to win the political argument convincingly and reach out to those who left Labour, turned their backs on Labour and attract those who have not voted Labour. Ed can forge a social democratic agenda that is realistic, credible, principled yet pragmatic to defeat the ConDems.Richard Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13838502059541504109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-9482492591646872010-08-01T01:47:15.858+01:002010-08-01T01:47:15.858+01:00With the two main leadership candidates there'...With the two main leadership candidates there's a definite sense of their politics being defined by those clustering around them, rather than by what they themselves are saying.<br /><br />I can detect little difference between Milibands, but a chasm between the respective supporters. There are exceptions, like the moderates backing Ed and radicals backing David. But I do worry that whoever wins there will be a sense of grievance.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11443724356434212172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-8966922297603987292010-07-31T23:37:05.378+01:002010-07-31T23:37:05.378+01:00Hmm interesting but I don't get a good feel ab...Hmm interesting but I don't get a good feel about either of the Ed's. Ed Miliband seems to be more form than function. I don't see him yet as a credible leader that can take the fight to the tories. Kinda sorry I missed the meeting as seeing him in person might have given me a more accurate impression of him than the media. I was reading an article in the guardian the other day that very much trashed his social skills. Despite what you have written think I will still be supporting Miliband snr aka David.Jonkarrahttp://koszler.netnoreply@blogger.com