tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post2191297574894236967..comments2024-03-29T09:14:53.583+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: On Keir Starmer's StupidityPhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-7858590352801930802021-05-11T10:39:27.059+01:002021-05-11T10:39:27.059+01:00It was Corbyn's mistake that he thought he cou...It was Corbyn's mistake that he thought he could share power inside the LP with the centre. He adopted the old Stalinoid idea of the Popular Front, when he should have learned the lesson of the PF that the centre will only ever use the Left for its own purposes, and stab them in the back as it aligns with the Right to prevent the Left winning.Boffyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08157650969929097569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-21193352463261044352021-05-11T03:08:14.767+01:002021-05-11T03:08:14.767+01:00Dipper,
'But you knew that when you decided y...Dipper,<br /><br />'But you knew that when you decided you'd rather have full control of a losing party than share control of a winning party.'<br /><br />This is more applicable to the right of the party than to its left.David Parryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16543341419630019419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-85181818036068300152021-05-10T20:23:19.072+01:002021-05-10T20:23:19.072+01:00Hate to say it but our resident Tory is correct. Hate to say it but our resident Tory is correct. Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18097624792336619525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-6233650787551157602021-05-10T11:52:30.303+01:002021-05-10T11:52:30.303+01:00'The results showed that there is an alternati...'The results showed that there is an alternative for people on the Left, albeit a party that is not explicitly left at all - the Green Party. An exodus from Left supporters of Labour to the Greens can be expected.'<br /><br />And that's why Labour isn't going to win any time soon. Whereas the Tories can command a coalition that when push comes to shove will turn out for them, a coalition that recognises political realities, Labour cannot command a similar coalition. As soon as it moves to the centre, lots of Corbynistas still smarting from The Betrayal of 2017 and other assorted lefties will peel away to vote for the Greens.<br /><br />After the next Tory win, all you lefties will say that the combined percentage vote of Labour + Green + Lib Dev is much greater than the Tory vote, that the Tories didn't really win, it is just our flawed electoral system. But you knew that when you decided you'd rather have full control of a losing party than share control of a winning party.Dippernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-62070211129886929402021-05-09T14:23:26.259+01:002021-05-09T14:23:26.259+01:00I had some hopes of Starmer, but it looks clear to...I had some hopes of Starmer, but it looks clear to me that he has decided that labour will lose the next GE, and he wants to clear the ground for the one after, with a bunch of leaders who all have impeccable new Labour credentials. He won't be the leader, of course - someone further to his right. <br /><br />The results showed that there is an alternative for people on the Left, albeit a party that is not explicitly left at all - the Green Party. An exodus from Left supporters of Labour to the Greens can be expected. I agree with you, Angela Rayner is far more convincing, and genuinely fits the description of working-class trade unionist She should stand against him - after this she has nothing to lose.<br /><br />Appalled. <br />Josephnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-46770713836105366472021-05-09T10:14:02.306+01:002021-05-09T10:14:02.306+01:00Unbelievable that Starmer has learned nothing from...Unbelievable that Starmer has learned nothing from these election results.<br /><br />When will he stop trying to appeal to a very narrow percentage of older voters in the 'red wall' and start adopting some policies with teeth?<br /><br />He has completely alienated the younger voters who were so galvanised by Corbyn - the success of the green party in many areas bears witness to their defection.<br /><br />Kathryn Janesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-83777246132243873952021-05-09T08:41:42.355+01:002021-05-09T08:41:42.355+01:00«If Keir can't understand his own party and di...«<i>If Keir can't understand his own party and display the elementary political skills to run it</i>»<br /><br />What he seems to think that his own party is associated with a lot of "trots" who scare away well-off tory voters in the Home Counties, and his first priority is to dump those "trots" at every opportunity, pushing them into protest votes or abstention. He has already eliminated several.<br /><br />Probably in his view it is a long term strategy to ensure that New New Labour is slimmed down to a pure thatcherite core supported by and championing the affluent tory middle classes and will always govern in coalition with the LibDems, ready for substituting for the Conservatives in 2024.<br />I'll repeat here the four cardinal principles for winning elections, already followed by the LibDems themselves with great effect :-):<br /><br />* “There Is No Alternative” (M Thatcher)<br />* “We are all thatcherites now" (P Mandelson)<br />* “wouldn’t want a left-wing Labour party to win an election” (T Blair)<br />* “would only win if the party championed aspirational voters who shop at John Lewis and Waitrose” (P Mandelson)Blissexnoreply@blogger.com