tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post1774887440193433334..comments2024-03-27T09:14:27.496+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: Chuka Umunna and the Liberal DemocratsPhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-77924080908820235962019-06-10T20:22:21.761+01:002019-06-10T20:22:21.761+01:00This is savage, I voted for the Liberal Democrats ...This is savage, I voted for the Liberal Democrats in 2019, without much enthusiasm, but because I felt they'd be a more effective & sympathetic anti-Farage force than CHUKa, and I've never had much time for the Greens.<br /><br />But the very reason I decided not to support CHUKa is that outfit was full of Blairites, who by definition are not liberals; what would Umunna's foreign policy votes be, or how would he vote on civil liberties? Would he simply become Bob Spink II and the party glad to be shot of him? I think so.<br /><br />I understand the need to oppose Faragism and I might in some circumstances be willing to join forces with people like that for a limited time, but as we move towards a multiparty system (and regret the missed opportunity of the 2011 referendum, in which I was right to vote Yes to the alternative vote as a bridgehead to a proportionate system) there is no need for an ostensibly liberal party to take in Blairites who are among the main reasons why Remain lost in the first place.asquithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14246701347539264295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-61413176177901606272019-06-10T13:17:48.466+01:002019-06-10T13:17:48.466+01:00Good point regarding chukka being a tactical drain...Good point regarding chukka being a tactical drain on labour activists in London. I'd add that with the appearance of ChUK:TIG as spoilers of a unified remain coalition there will be pressure on the LDs to hold their noses & accept him into the fold to demonstrate their united-against-Brexit credentials regardless of his history as an incompetent wrecker.Oboehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06937402907698192620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-83198368706250485742019-06-10T12:02:22.571+01:002019-06-10T12:02:22.571+01:00Chuka didn't want to sign up to the full IHRA ...Chuka didn't want to sign up to the full IHRA definition with *all* the Examples. Why aren't the Press bashing him?Shai Masothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00452453462950704943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-55365454285439480522019-06-10T11:18:57.018+01:002019-06-10T11:18:57.018+01:00If the LibDems let him in it will because they wer...If the LibDems let him in it will because they were a totally spent force until recently, and they would be flattered that anyone would want to join them. If he goes to them it will be because he is flattered anyone would take him.<br />After the dust settles and they take a good hard look at one another in the cold light of day, they will both realise how shit each other are.PlebJamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-37757106256228853682019-06-10T10:14:47.011+01:002019-06-10T10:14:47.011+01:00He launched "the Alternative" three mont...He launched "the Alternative" three months before leaving Change UK, God knows why - see this Spectator diary story from <a href="https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/chuka-umunna-the-alternative/" rel="nofollow">5th March</a>. It's just that most people didn't notice, because they didn't look at his awful Web site all that time.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07009879034507926661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-9059649970225179122019-06-10T09:08:44.490+01:002019-06-10T09:08:44.490+01:00I'm guessing Chuka Umunna isn't much diffe...I'm guessing Chuka Umunna isn't much different from most of the 170 odd Labour MPs who joined the vote of no confidence againt JC. He's like my sitting Labour MP, riding-out the Corbyn Years and hoping that 'events, dear boy, events' will see Corbyn & McDonnell eventually undermined. Except, Chuka mistimed the moment & jumped ship too early. He now sleeps with the fishes. <br /><br />My MP is a dyed-in-the-wool Brownite. I'm not sure his politics are that much different from Umunna's. He's a social conservative more than a Liberal Democratic. In my series of correspondences with him over his voting yes for the British bombing of Syria, he voiced a strong patriotism and a 'what works' pragmatism at the heart of his politics. He wears his poppy with pride and still fully supports ALL western interventionism in the Middle East. Yet, he effusive in his supports for the NHS and against acadamisation, and he is a remainer. He is more Brown than Blaire; believes in 'equality of opportunity' rather than redistribution; espouses traditional British values (whatever that means); supports a form of prudent welfarism. He does not want socialism, in any guise!Dialectician1noreply@blogger.com