tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post1753413446210554740..comments2024-03-29T07:14:55.029+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: Could Boris Johnson Split the Tory Party?Philhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-27742639327771918212018-08-15T17:14:42.297+01:002018-08-15T17:14:42.297+01:00What Labour is offering now is what used to center...What Labour is offering now is what used to centerism in the 1970s when the term first started to appear. As you get older you notice how the meanings of words migrate.Johny Conspiranoid.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-82726881953261796212018-08-15T15:32:04.807+01:002018-08-15T15:32:04.807+01:00After 1987---that's 31 years ago---the best re...After 1987---that's 31 years ago---the best result the Conservatives have ever had in general election is the 21-seat majority won by John Major in 1992.<br />And that virtually disappeared over the course of his five-year term.Pendragonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14601150248986844828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-74816035418656088542018-08-14T23:35:32.882+01:002018-08-14T23:35:32.882+01:00Its not as simple as that, whilst Macron is the du...Its not as simple as that, whilst Macron is the dud many predicted he would be France is one of the relatively few countries where it can be plausibly argued "centrism" hasn't been given a "fair" go.<br /><br />Whereas here, we have Blair and Cameron - both "centrists" in their own way, and both electorally toxic failures.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-15850094786189657462018-08-13T17:21:16.936+01:002018-08-13T17:21:16.936+01:00In many ways a new centre party does make sense (e...In many ways a new centre party does make sense (economically, politically), what is stopping it happening is careerist politicians who are weighing up whether Britain can pull off the trick that France managed, i.e. repackage the same old neo liberal bullshit in a new suit (Macron) and hope people are stupid enough to fall for it. So a new centre party will emerge if careerists politicians think this party has legs and if it does then Oxbridge and the middle to upper classes can send their sprogs to this new party instead of the established parties. It will all boil down to the career!<br /><br />In a lot of ways France pointed to the superficiality of the argument that the centre can no longer hold and the old parties are collapsing. Well in France all it took was a makeover and hey presto the old party was back in new clothes!<br /><br />My estimate is that a new centre party will take more votes off Labour than the Tories, after all what Tory doesn’t love Muslim bashing, other than Muslim Tories? But I hope this happens because the Yvette Cooper loving centrists are THE enemy and every they have done since Corbyn took power is only further proof of this point.<br /><br />Muslim racism, Islamophobia, a safe space for fascists!<br /><br />Chairman of the Committee for the Campaign Against American Culture<br />CCCAACnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-68367508262321348472018-08-11T12:07:40.113+01:002018-08-11T12:07:40.113+01:00Interesting. One quwation I would have is: would a...Interesting. One quwation I would have is: would a new centrist party take as many, or more, votes from the Tories as they would from Labour? The blooger has probably answered that one but I just don't wholly understand the technical stuff in his analysis.<br /><br />I think there is milage in the "government of national unity" approach which is putatively being put about by people likes of Mike Gapes. Maybe the worst of the Blairites will form a new party, a second group of Blairites/soft leftists would form an independant bloc within Labour, and together with the woke Tories they'd have enough consitutional legitimacy to form a government?<br /><br />As Paul Mason has pointed out, any new party would not primarily be about creating a long-term viable centrist political force. Its main function would be to block a socialist government.Jeremy Corbyn (Parody)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14747514631230108679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-50977637758590603902018-08-11T08:24:05.141+01:002018-08-11T08:24:05.141+01:00Didn't a similar organisation, the Pro-Euro Co...Didn't a similar organisation, the Pro-Euro Conservative Party, crash and burn in 1999 for obvious reasons?<br /><br />Without something like the lies told about Ed Miliband and the SNP in 2015, there is never going to be anything approaching a majority for Cameronism, and very few non-Tory Remain voters would support such an outfit.<br /><br />I also believe that Tory Remainers have always been ineffectual and will continue to be. They simply don't have the same level of rage and hatred that Brexshitters have, and are more naturally conformist and line-toeing than, say, Bone or Dorries, which is why they've achieved so little since 2016.<br /><br />So, while some may leave the party in disgust at Boris, plenty of others won't, especially if he finds an Emily Thornberry figure to sell his message to the centre.<br /><br />A Boris premiership is possible but would be a horror (and his article showed his cynical, opportunist & disgraceful nature) but I certainly wouldn't look to that lot to prevent it.asquithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14246701347539264295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-54929979758127144242018-08-11T07:01:20.015+01:002018-08-11T07:01:20.015+01:00"However, if Johnson was kept off any upcomin..."However, if Johnson was kept off any upcoming leadership ballot thanks to shenanigans in the Westminster party then that, oh yes, that could get very interesting ..."<br /><br />The problem is that Westminster politics isn't 'very interesting' in the slightest. In fact, most people are turned off by the chinless wonders who represent us, in all the parties. Johnson, like Corbyn, stand out because they represent something that people can identify with. You have been accurately blogging over the past few years about the polarisation in British (and European) politics. Presently, there is a surfeit of 'middle ground' politicians in Parliament that represent nothing. They are managerialists. Their only talent is persuading us that they will manage capitalism better (or more fairer) than others. Since the crash of 2008, nobody believes them any more. Events, as they say, have overtaken them. Dialectician1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-67985452958496940202018-08-11T02:36:20.944+01:002018-08-11T02:36:20.944+01:00we can only hopewe can only hopejim mcleannoreply@blogger.com