tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post1672172884743934579..comments2024-03-29T09:14:53.583+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: Advice for "Bullied" Labour MPsPhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-75488640113546301582015-12-08T16:35:17.417+00:002015-12-08T16:35:17.417+00:00The most ridiculous thing I have seen in the last ...The most ridiculous thing I have seen in the last couple of days has been the BBC, backing up Blair-right MP's, who have complained about the Socialist Party leafletting at a Momentum event!<br /><br />Do these MP's and journalists not get out much? On the basis that the SP turned up and leafletted the meeting the MP's and journalists interpreted this as being evidence that Momentum had been taken over by the SP, and that what the SP had on their leaflets was thereby Momentum policy!<br /><br />On that basis the TUC, and Labour Party itself must also have been taken over by the Socialist Party, Communist Party and all the other groups that these MP's and journalists know nothing about - which could be one reason that the Daily Politics keeps having the Editor of the Morning Star on, who represents nobody - because they all turn up and leaflet the events organised by those bodies too.<br /><br />Or, perhaps, they might want to apply the same rules to the Tory Party, whose vents have often been leafletted by members of UKIP, and in the past the BNP. Or, perhaps the Blair-right MP's think the Labour Party has been taken over by the Fabian Society, and other Think Tanks who put forward their suggestions on what party policy should be?<br /><br />Its rather rich for the Blair-rights to be complaining about non-party members having a voice, in any case, because they have been insisting in recent weeks that MP's have to listen to "Electors" rather than party members in deciding how they should vote! It was the Blair-rights, who wanted to give non-party members a vote via a Primary system, in electing the party leader!<br /><br />In other words, they want all these things only so long as the result is the result they want, and when it isn't, they can't understand why, and so find themselves opposing the very mechanisms they previously promoted.Boffyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08157650969929097569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-18864703593228443352015-12-08T15:15:03.867+00:002015-12-08T15:15:03.867+00:00No Boffy, nobody has proved it.
What is certain is...No Boffy, nobody has proved it.<br />What is certain is that members of progress are blaming momentum.<br /><br />An exceptionally clever tactic if I may say so.<br /><br />Their newest cleverest tactic is to be more left wing than left wingers.<br /><br />Whippets, flat caps, pork pies, titles, the lot.<br /><br />Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-60059000076858800822015-12-07T21:10:18.784+00:002015-12-07T21:10:18.784+00:00I think Boffy has just about accused everyone he h...I think Boffy has just about accused everyone he has ever debated with a troll at one point or another (that is no exaggeration). He must think one guy logs into the internet and uses 3 million different identities!<br /><br />"telling pregnant MPs you hope they miscarry or their child is born limbless, hat is unforgivable and indefensible"<br /><br />possibly but less unforgivable and indefensible than actively voting to make this a reality in Syria. It really sickens me that people who vote to bomb and kill other people get all worked up by people spouting words. <br /><br />Have they not heard the saying, "Dropping bombs and sending drones will break your bones but calling names won't hurt you"?<br /><br />BCFGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-67598335742024842082015-12-07T13:28:10.195+00:002015-12-07T13:28:10.195+00:00Has anyone actually proved that the trolls are mem...Has anyone actually proved that the trolls are members of Momentum? The fact is that you only have to look here at the trolls who post under a multiplicity of names, so as to argue views ranging from fascist through Trotskyist to anarcho-capitalist, to see that the vast majority of them are just saddos for whom this is just the only form of entertainment and social interaction.<br /><br />There are 5 trolls per week being prosecuted in the Courts now, and a look at nearly all of them shows that they are just people who are basically socially inadequate in one way or another. Their aggressive and assertive language is usually in inverse proportion to their actual knowledge, and their threats are similarly usually in inverse proportion to their ability to carry them out!<br /><br />Generally speaking, if someone really intends to do you harm, they will not announce it first on social media. Although most trolls are again stupid in inverse proportion to how clever they think they are, most are not so stupid as to actually tell the police in advance that they intend to kill or injure someone, if they really mean to do it. The troll who e-mailed Coyle, even e-mailed him back to apologise, when he realised that he had invited a knock from the constabulary!<br /><br />So, if these MP's are really scared as a result of the activity of trolls, the answer is simple, stay off social media. Focus on actually holding meetings with your party members and constituents instead, and in that way you at least know you are talking to real people and not just a load of sock puppets.<br /><br />But, the reality is that all the broo ha ha is manufactured, as a means of hitting Corbyn over the head, whilst the Blair-right factionalists, plotters and splitters plan the real violence with their dreams of a party coup against the leader.Boffyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08157650969929097569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-37283125571197775012015-12-07T12:47:42.855+00:002015-12-07T12:47:42.855+00:00Those that issued death threats are "Corbynit...Those that issued death threats are "Corbynites".<br />They belong to "momentum".<br /><br />Oh, and aren't progress milking this one. Oh yes.Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-9148971931976532272015-12-07T12:27:43.138+00:002015-12-07T12:27:43.138+00:00The abuse was fully deserved, however some of the ...The abuse was fully deserved, however some of the extreme examples have been unfortunate mostly for the fact that they have given these lame MPs an opportunity to seek an undeserved moral high ground.Igor Belanovnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-58700726442432910772015-12-07T12:19:32.032+00:002015-12-07T12:19:32.032+00:00"That isn't to say bad behaviour is excus..."That isn't to say bad behaviour is excusable. There will always be people who overdose on the dickhead pills before firing off an abusive/threatening/sexist/racist email or tweet. Some of these feel a trickle of warmth - or self-righteousness - when they elicit a response. The overwhelming bulk of people bandying about 'Tory scum' and condemning MPs as warmongers however, are not so damaged. Not to excuse but to understand them ..."Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-58212314441102104272015-12-07T11:31:00.330+00:002015-12-07T11:31:00.330+00:00Usually I agree with most of what you write, but y...Usually I agree with most of what you write, but your attempts to justify any of the s**t that some MPs took last week is simply wrong. Death threats, telling pregnant MPs you hope they miscarry or their child is born limbless, that is unforgivable and indefensible. And let's not forget Stephen Timms and Nigel Jones, both nearly killed (and Jones' Agent murdered) by "facing" their protesting constituents. <br /><br />Sadly social media has convinced the morons of Momentum and the like that they can say and do anything, and it's time supposedly responsible people stood up for our elected representatives instead of suggesting they lump it in the name of democracy. fendawghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00545514156785790644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-35277360725961560462015-12-07T10:32:59.942+00:002015-12-07T10:32:59.942+00:00Listening to Trissy's interview on the radio, ...Listening to Trissy's interview on the radio, he anticipates an angry CLP meeting who 'overwhelmingly' are against military action.<br /><br />I know what it is like Tris, to be bullied by the Labour party (progress/NEC/) just take what comes and pretend it doesn't matter.<br /><br />It does, it does, it does.<br /><br />Took 7 phone calls over the weekend to return.<br />Amazed at how many know about this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-56385960693338668872015-12-07T09:06:34.073+00:002015-12-07T09:06:34.073+00:00Maybe worth saying (and I'm not a party member...Maybe worth saying (and I'm not a party member, for what it's worth) that as far as I'm aware, a respected constituency MP who enjoys a good relaionship with their local party is rarely the target for deselection, regardless of where they stand in terms of left and right in the party. It's the timeservers and the cynics who get into trouble.ejhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01582272075999298935noreply@blogger.com