tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post1512435036977539093..comments2024-03-27T09:14:27.496+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: The Tory Attack on FarmersPhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-21977355520454044512021-05-21T13:24:22.805+01:002021-05-21T13:24:22.805+01:00"Trans festivals"
Unknown, you really n..."Trans festivals"<br /><br />Unknown, you really need to get out more. Try one and you might enjoy it.BCFGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-34236800767169278702021-05-20T21:01:11.216+01:002021-05-20T21:01:11.216+01:00If the majority of farmers support the Conservativ...If the majority of farmers support the Conservative Party and voted for Brexit then I assume they acted rationally and in line with their belief systems even if it hits their economic interests. I cannot believe they were influenced by wishful thinking,demagogy and deception. They must have acted for a higher interests and be concerned about the nation and sovereignty.<br /><br />Not sure why their is an attack on woke in this discussion, especially when such an eccentric definition is given of it. I cannot see what is wrong with tolerance,fairness, acceptance of difference and a desire for equak treatment. The alternative we see every day is hatred of woke, refugees, foreigners, human rights, the poor and students.<br /><br />McIntoshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-34182186828096758222021-05-20T20:13:06.228+01:002021-05-20T20:13:06.228+01:00"Trans festivals"
Phil, why are youe re..."Trans festivals"<br /><br />Phil, why are youe reply guys so weird.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15759040295551194737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-2423542746956656512021-05-20T18:21:35.394+01:002021-05-20T18:21:35.394+01:00I'm with Dr. Z and Dipper here.
No sympathy f...I'm with Dr. Z and Dipper here.<br /><br />No sympathy for the farmers at all.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17760852866243006285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-56107629200787744932021-05-20T14:54:09.300+01:002021-05-20T14:54:09.300+01:00I am a little surprised that you view the abolitio...I am a little surprised that you view the abolition of basic farm payment as anything other than a positive. In essence, this rewards those who have holdings of "agricultural" land by the area they hold. It means that the largest land owners are subsidised to the tune of many millions. It discriminates against the small farmer. People are paid simply for owning the land, regardless of how well they manage it - either environmentally or productively. Replacing this with payments for using the land "public good" is a much needed reform.<br /><br />It may be that the government is sacrificing farmers for trade deals, but they have done the same to many other sectors so that should hardly come as a shock. They will continue to cultivate rural support through turning a blind eye to fox hunting, allowing driven grouse shooting, and ignoring the long term ecological impact of the annual release of 60 million alien birds into the countryside so that people can enjoy shooting them.<br /><br />The Tories have large majorities in most rural areas and it seems this is unlikely to cost them as the voters there are small "c" conservative and unlikely to change their vote in sufficient numbers to make a difference. Dr Zoltan Jorovicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-54472888486449294622021-05-20T12:59:42.966+01:002021-05-20T12:59:42.966+01:00So does that mean that if the Tories attack Travel...So does that mean that if the Tories attack Travellers, the young, the "woke", and trans people then the left should attack home owners, the old, white people and those who strictly identify as a man or a woman?<br /><br />For instance, older people are racist, support brexit and will be more likely to vote Tory.<br /><br />I really don’t think the Tories have in any substantial way attacked ‘woke’ or even trans people have they? It seems to me that every year the Trans festivals etc get bigger and bigger. I just don’t see any major hostility to these groups.<br /><br />Having said that ‘woke’ people need to be attacked with a lot more ferocity than is currently happening, as most of what they come out with defies all logic, they are most certainly shy on what their solutions would be. Wokism is just a liberal version of witch hunting and is a retrograde step.<br /><br />One thing the technological and anthropological advancements of the 19th century did was to firmly place facts and science first and theory second. The notion became if the theory does not fit the facts the theory must go or be refined. Wokism is retrograde because it sees fit to reverse this trend, for wokists if the facts don’t fit the theory the facts have to go. This is a step back to medieval obscurantism dressed up as enlightened liberalism.<br />BCFGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-83694632591180504152021-05-20T12:42:19.376+01:002021-05-20T12:42:19.376+01:00Consensus in my tory group is this is a key decisi...Consensus in my tory group is this is a key decision for this government, in that it is a decision on a field of its choosing (post Brexit) and reveals their priorities. <br /><br />from that point of view, I'm fairly fingers crossed for a free trade agreement. Give in the the NFU and the government will find a long queue of special interest groups demanding preferential treatment and the end result is an impoverished economy with groups battling to seize a slice of the pie.<br /><br />Farmers are notorious moaners. For years the Labour Party was the subject of this moaning so it is odd to find an organ of the left coming down heavily on the side of higher food prices for workers to keep the Landed classes in Range Rovers.Dippernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-12189029194249955462021-05-20T12:12:12.080+01:002021-05-20T12:12:12.080+01:00There is the usual complication here of the differ...There is the usual complication here of the difference between "Tory", the Conservative Party, and "tory", the political faction. The Conservatives have both a "tory" and a "whig" political faction, each with some different flavours, and the farmers are a "tory" faction vested interest group, but not a "whig" faction one, and brexit, originally a "tory" goal, is being managed by the "whig" leadership of the Conservatives.<br /><br />The "tories", including the farmers, intended "sovereignty" to mean "nationalism", to choose having rules in their own narrow interests, without compromising with other EU interests, the "whigs" transformed "sovereignty" to mean "globalism", that is to choose having fewer rules.<br /><br />The LibDems may have been strong in rural areas for mostly ethnic reasons, but they are "whigs" too, so the "tory" farmers can hardly switch their vote to them.<br /><br />«<i>Therefore the so-called row between Eustice and Liz Truss about farming is not one of principle but of timing: Truss wants support gone so the Tories have their deal, while Eustice also wants to withdraw the support - but not before the sweeteners are in place.</i>»<br /><br />As to that both Eustice and Truss are thatcherite "whigs", like most Conservative MPs, but some are a little bit "wetter" than the others.<br /><br />Note: as we saw in 2008-2009 even the "driest" thatcherite "whigs" become quite soggy when it comes to bailing out the "whig" interests of the financial sectors, so it is all relative.Blissexnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-42554105077095887182021-05-20T10:33:02.908+01:002021-05-20T10:33:02.908+01:00The suggestion is that the worst hit will be Scott...The suggestion is that the worst hit will be Scottish crofters and hill farmers, and hill farmers in Wales. As we know, Scotland is an SNP fiefdom, and Wales is sort of Labour. That only leaves the beef producers in England to kick up a fuss which the Tories might have to listen to.Kennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-90435784823981302252021-05-20T07:42:34.319+01:002021-05-20T07:42:34.319+01:00The DUP won’t like this, the Ulster Farmer’s Union...The DUP won’t like this, the Ulster Farmer’s Union was already getting a bit jittery about their Juche-Brexit attitude.1729torushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09262372962990418135noreply@blogger.com