tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post1479965328670730120..comments2024-03-29T09:14:53.583+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: ConDems: A Lasting Marriage or Heading for Divorce?Philhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-54330306034292914442010-11-29T19:58:57.699+00:002010-11-29T19:58:57.699+00:00While we're talking LibDem self-preservation, ...While we're talking LibDem self-preservation, I see Jenny Willott has resigned.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-41016151107649764752010-11-29T19:25:57.744+00:002010-11-29T19:25:57.744+00:00Asquith, I don't think Blair and Brown were li...Asquith, I don't think Blair and Brown were liberals - they were *neoliberals*. It meant using the language of liberalism and the means of privatisation for providing state-funded socialism for the rich.<br /><br />I think a lot of Labour people have problems with coalitions full stop. I can't imagine many welcoming the prospect of a tie-up with the LibDems now or four years down the line with unfettered joy. The Greens, if they're able to make advances at the LibDems' expense ... that's a different kettle of fish.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-92156944892435102632010-11-29T19:20:51.160+00:002010-11-29T19:20:51.160+00:00The LibDems might well cling to the Tories like a ...The LibDems might well cling to the Tories like a decomposing limpet, but doing so will cause them considerable damage. If they do become the permanent deal makers of British politics there will be a very high turn over of LibDem MPs. Say for argument's sake the Coalition survives the full term and then go on to form a coalition with Labour. Can you believe Little Dave and Uncle Vince would be acceptable to the Labour leadership? I think not. Their careers as front line politicians are over and done with this coalition.<br /><br />But then there's self-preservation. People have long memories, especially when politicians are swinging around a wrecking ball demolishing jobs, public sector provision and endangering economic recovery. Some LibDems are sweating and have a choice - vote with the Tories against fees and preserve the coalition, but risk their seats; or vote against and be lauded for doing so (as well as saving their own necks). I think sufficient numbers will vote against. But whether that brings the whole coalition down, we shall see.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-45326041698366859002010-11-28T19:03:50.316+00:002010-11-28T19:03:50.316+00:00There should not be an extended coaltion or an ele...There should not be an extended coaltion or an electoral pact of the kind this Nick Boles suggests. The coalition was formed in response to unique circumstances, the peculiar results of the election, the situation the country found itself in, & the awfulness of the previous government. The idea of it becoming permanent is not one I'd like.<br /><br />As a social & economic liberal I have in general supported the coalition, while I disagree with some of its policy (there is a lot of unwelcome continuity from Blair & Brown in the authoritarianism, the hyperactivity of government, the launching of ill-considered initiatives, the misjudged statements, & I also don't hold by specific things such as the abolition of child trust funds, the further extension of the means testing disaster, etc). <br /><br />But I felt, before the election, that Cameron was more economically liberal & also more socially liberal than Brown. Socialists often think Blair & Brown were free-market liberals & condemn them accordingly, but in fact they were lovers of big corporations & the City of London rather than consistent, principled liberals. So there was something to alienate everyone.<br /><br />I saw merit in both of the then-opposition parties. I ended up, with the usual caveats, supporting Clegg. Now I do not regret this decsion. But it needs to be said that the coalition is only a temporary thing. As in European countries with long traditions of coalition policies, parties will get some of their agenda & have to give up on others, the strength of their position being according to the strength of their vote.<br /><br />A friend of mine expressed the hope that the cuts would enrage people so much that a Labour government would be elected with the help of reluctant former Lib Dem voters. What I didn't say, but should have done, is this:<br /><br />What would happen if at the next election the electoral logic was such that Miliband formed a coalition with Cleggover? Well, I am more heavy on social than on economic issues so if Miliband was genuine on his social liberalism (a big if) then I wouldn't condemn it out of hand even if it would be socialist. I am interested in what Labour loyalists would make of the whole thing. Will it inform your dealings with Lib Dems now to think they might not be eternal enemies? <br /><br />Some people might find themselves very confused in 2015. That is what I say. Especially if there is a yes vote on AV.asquithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14246701347539264295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-18447119404277386442010-11-28T10:44:53.400+00:002010-11-28T10:44:53.400+00:00No way is the marriage breaking up, at least not b...No way is the marriage breaking up, at least not by the Lib Dems. It is like some fat 50 year old bloke with a beer belly and rancid teeth has managed to get off with an unfeasibly desperate Myleene Klass look-a-like! Who do you think would be the first to break that relationship up?<br /><br />The Liberals hope to become the permanent deal maker in British politics, by forming a coalition with whichever of the bigger parties gets the most votes.<br /><br />I think I preferred the old 2 post the post system. Let the Liberals death be a quick one, please!SamGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-12272962283028910652010-11-27T17:52:39.560+00:002010-11-27T17:52:39.560+00:00The coalition is not going to break up. Lib Dems k...The coalition is not going to break up. Lib Dems know that an early election might well see them slaughtered. The worse things get and the worse the opinion polls the more they will stick close to the Tories and hope that in five years time the economy will have recovered and the public will have forgotten about the more unpopular policies. They're going to go on all the way to 2015.<br /><br />If the Tories get an overall majority in 2015 that will be the end of the coalition since backbench Tories woudln't put up with a Tory prime minister promoting liberals and giving them jobs ahead of his Tory colleagues when he didn't have to. <br /><br />The only consolation is that the Liberals probaby will be slaughtered at the next election. If the government is unpopular they will take the blame. If the government is seen as having done a good job the Tories will take the credit. Either way these liberal weasels are likely to get slaughtered.Robertnoreply@blogger.com