tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post1236529946507025106..comments2024-03-29T09:14:53.583+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: Neal Lawson and the "Wrong Voters"Philhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-52127150265298968702015-01-07T18:32:54.640+00:002015-01-07T18:32:54.640+00:00It does matter, Ejh, because they have a platform ...<i>It does matter, Ejh, because they have a platform that tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people read every day</i><br /><br />Yes, but the point is that you're not going to have a dialogue with them. Neal Lawson <i>might</i> be trying to have a dialogue with them, but he's not in a position to come up with an argument that's proof against them saying silly things. Because neither of them have any objection to saying things.<br /><br />So don't worry about they say. They certainly don't.ejhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01582272075999298935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-26734637635987916352015-01-06T21:04:06.501+00:002015-01-06T21:04:06.501+00:00Nah, I think there is a break between New Labour a...Nah, I think there is a break between New Labour and the Tories. Remember, New Labour wasn't just Blair - it was Brown too. And on his watch you saw significant. differences between them and the Tories emergePhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-76710756208815556092015-01-06T21:02:12.871+00:002015-01-06T21:02:12.871+00:00It does matter, Ejh, because they have a platform ...It does matter, Ejh, because they have a platform that tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people read every day. Sadly, I'm a wee bit off commanding that sized audience but it's important counterblasts are out there and available for anyone looking for an alternative view.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-2454320017514938742015-01-05T17:02:33.710+00:002015-01-05T17:02:33.710+00:00"that Labour was always going to win in '..."that Labour was always going to win in '97, that the New Labour guff was unnecessary, that in power Blair was dismally unambitious and championed British capital to the exclusion of all else. "<br /><br />And just as importantly, the Tories were going to get back into power at some point and attempt to undo everything you attempted! Though in reality the Condems are carrying through New Labour policy to its logical conclusion! I think you can look at New Labour as a transition between Thatcher and the ConDems, albeit with certain issues remaining unsolved for the Tories - European 'worker friendly' legislation being but an example.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-28566949787966069102015-01-05T15:42:04.352+00:002015-01-05T15:42:04.352+00:00Given that neither John Rentoul nor Dan Hodges is ...Given that neither John Rentoul nor Dan Hodges is ever embarrassed by putting forward a bad argument, does it actually matter what either of them says?ejhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01582272075999298935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-87225683273080645552015-01-05T13:54:33.102+00:002015-01-05T13:54:33.102+00:00New Labour wasn't wanted in Stoke-on-Trent but...New Labour wasn't wanted in Stoke-on-Trent but there seemed quite a lot of support for John Smith who nailed the Tories every day with absolute class, calling a thief a thief. 'A not me Guv Government!'<br />At last we were hitting back and with class.<br />We'd done the correct argument and left bewildered and lost.<br />Now it was time to kick them in the teeth.<br />Most people loved Kinnock but support wained with the dreaded 'policy review' which slid the party to the right.<br />Only a knife edge vote (in the back of Brown by Mandy) secured the Blair victory.<br />The shopping list we dreamed of, the doorstep sell we now had made all Labour members feel important and credible.<br />Like all leaders Smith and Blair supported the Tory Government in war.<br />Blair's war wasn't easy, in fact it split the party 50/50 in every department but the rot set in (who was the rot here?)<br /><br />If Labour wants to lose a election, have an internal fight. Simple. It's called democracy.<br />The Tories couldn't lose, they hated each other but united in war. Kill everyone and anyone.<br /><br />New Labour may have been an unnecessary interlude but Brown actually did do what he said he would even during the initial phase of the world recession (of which Cameron heaps oceans of blame on Brown).<br /><br />One day the truth will come out and Mandy's involvement will be analysed more closely and so will the deaths of John Smith and Robin Cook.<br />Too many labour members looked at each other and shook heads in an uncertain manner.<br />Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-17339646467224549972015-01-05T12:11:58.216+00:002015-01-05T12:11:58.216+00:00Gary, I can understand why some would go along wit...Gary, I can understand why some would go along with the triangulation of New Labour in the context of four lost elections, but we have the luxury of distance now. Then I thought New Labour was unnecessary, and I still think that. Anyone who thinks otherwise has to construct a plausible argument as to why Blair and no one else could win in 1997. Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-14597878001375421702015-01-05T10:00:19.265+00:002015-01-05T10:00:19.265+00:00My party is better than yours.
My Labour party is ...My party is better than yours.<br />My Labour party is better than your Labour party.<br />Gee up!<br /><br />We were kicked around like a rag doll from 1979-87.<br />The radical plans were all sang to were dumped (circa Charles I vs Cromwell)<br /><br />Utterly defeated, down and out come 1992.<br /><br />Everything was about how to be better 'middle ground' politicians than they were.<br />Any thought of a surge to the left and fight from that corner was and is pure hogwash.<br />Only left-wing romantics dream of absolute victory if the red flag was waved louder.<br /><br />Along comes Blair, who was good at being 'middle' than most of the rest and the rest is factual history.<br />Sleazy (UKIP) Tories dumped by slick middle man Tony.<br />New hospitals, new schools...etc etc..<br /><br />2015?<br />I've got immigrants coming through my letterbox. Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.com