tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post9131511140065686653..comments2024-03-27T09:14:27.496+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: Tory Disarray Over EuropePhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-45205184372627260312013-01-11T17:28:40.555+00:002013-01-11T17:28:40.555+00:00A UK exit might not be good for the UK but I belie...A UK exit might not be good for the UK but I believe it would benefit Europe. De Gaulle was right Britain should never have been allowed to join. He knew that the UK would be an American Trojan Horse. The UK blocked the Delors plan for a social Europe based on the Rhineland model of capitalism with union reps on the boards of the corporations.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18097624792336619525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-51999254613535405122013-01-10T22:08:49.127+00:002013-01-10T22:08:49.127+00:00I think the intervention from the US politicians -...I think the intervention from the US politicians - and now, it appears, the German politicians - is most interesting. In many respects I fear it could end up being counter-productive, fuelling the conspiracy theorists and little Englanders into saying "we told you so - they're telling us what to do so let's do the opposite of what they want."<br /><br />That said, the all-too-likely-true pronouncements on major job losses that would be caused by a UK/Euro divorce may have some resonance on those still lucky enough to have jobs in manufacturing and global services.<br /><br />In terms of UKIP - I saw a detailed poll today that I think showed that UKIP support is getting terrifyingly high amongst DE voters. I think this idea that it is a home counties middle-class phenomenon is quite dangerously mistaken and I believe that UKIP is now eating into what was the BNP share of working class votes. UKIP could overtake the Labour party amongst the poorest in society and leave Labour to fulfil the Blairite destiny and transition fully into wet-left a middle-class vehicle for capital.<br /><br />What I cannot fathom is the existence of many on the Labour Left and Outside-Left who are salivating at the prospect of leaving the EU. Such a move will be suicidal in terms of job losses, international isolation and inflaming base nationalist fervour and will, I suspect, end in some sort of neo-fascist government in England hid behind our revived and emboldened monarchy.<br /><br />It is beyond comprehension that self-described socialists continue to bleat on the 1970s line about the "bosses club" of the EU when they must realise that a UK exit will not herald any sort of revival of socialist support amongst the little Englanders.<br /><br />That said, I fear it is too late and the Atlanticists running the media have done the job already. I think the UK will leave the EU, break up and Balkanise and England will end up a sort of giant tax-haven with expensive nuclear submarines to fund - isolated and hated by our near neighbours, irrelevant and joked about by the rest of the world. A North Korea of Europe.Alex Dawsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14197211489381075789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-91192013448836412152013-01-10T21:58:00.848+00:002013-01-10T21:58:00.848+00:00You baldly state that a UK exit from the EU would ...You baldly state that a UK exit from the EU would be an utter disaster without providing any evidence whatsoever.<br /><br />There is plenty of evidence to support the alternative viewpoint - that a British exit would do the UK the power of good .... although it wouldn't be so good for the EU and it might temporarily upset the Americans.<br /><br />But since when does the UK have to subvert its own Sovereignty and Democracy in order to please the Americans - who would do no such thing themselves.<br /><br />Membership of the EU has not been a benefit to the ordinary British people - athough it suits multinational corporations and the political elite. It's time the British people decided whether we stay in or leave. And we should do it without any interference from the leaders of other nations who do not have OUR best interests at heart.<br /><br />DeeDee99https://www.blogger.com/profile/06753473473887381622noreply@blogger.com