tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post8677600356749735531..comments2024-03-29T09:14:53.583+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: May Survives - What Now?Philhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-38531748929580078132018-12-15T00:57:32.634+00:002018-12-15T00:57:32.634+00:00To the above poster who suggested it, the HoC woul...To the above poster who suggested it, the HoC would have to pass any referendum bill and it is - to say the least - doubtful that a "May's deal/no deal" ballot would ever get a majority there. And that likelihood drops further with every new humiliation for our PM.<br /><br />Like many other suggestions to "solve" this, its a non-starter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-21547550575433041342018-12-14T16:39:59.703+00:002018-12-14T16:39:59.703+00:00The DUP will not countenance the merest sniff of a...The DUP will not countenance the merest sniff of a backstop. As the latter is an inevitable result of May's red lines on no free movement, no customs union, and no cozying-up to the single market, suffice it to say the Deal is already dead, dead, dead. As dead as the proverbial norwegian blue from the famous parrot sketch. To prevent the No-Deal fanatics in the ERG from achieving their objectives by counting down the clock, therefore, Remain realists in the Tory party know they must now either facilitate a general election or concede another referendum. As the former of these unappealing scenarios is pretty much inconceivable, the latter emerges increasingly as the only other means available to stop no-deal. (A third way is to suspend Article 50 and it may yet come to that. A fourth, truly catastrophic alternative, is for parliament to revoke Article 50.) The DUP meanwhile won't facilitate Labour's desire for a general election but would prefer the Labour model of withdrawal because it doesn't require a backstop. It doesn't require a backstop because it isn't really brexit, it'd amount to the softest of soft BINO (Brexit in Name Only) or (though not such a pithy acronym) RIABN. That is, Remain in all but Name. Differing only in semantics, the job of any Labour campaign in a second referendum will be to convince working Leave supporters of the virtues of he former and Remain realists of the relative merits of the latter.Captain Swingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-42852751352167317812018-12-14T02:27:52.902+00:002018-12-14T02:27:52.902+00:00This situation with a lame duck PM and a lame duck...This situation with a lame duck PM and a lame duck government and a lame duck political system, means that we need drastic reform. How dare she, they or anyone else hold a whole nation to ransom, like it's personal fiefdom? All the referendum has done is show the brokenness of the whole rotten system. And as the system is rotten, the people in charge seem to be rotten, too. They all have far too much power and precious little accountability. This has to change. All those who believe in democracy should reflect on that. Tmbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-80600534331498467282018-12-13T20:37:05.648+00:002018-12-13T20:37:05.648+00:00Could they just have a referendum on May's Dea...Could they just have a referendum on May's Deal versus No Deal.<br /><br />May could call that democratic and it would force remainers to vote for the least bad option alongside half-hearted brexiteers.<br />Better for the establishment than gambling on another leave/remain referendumdj.in.brightonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17493791488019158211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-65208268817745184422018-12-13T19:37:22.818+00:002018-12-13T19:37:22.818+00:00Two thirds are required for an election *or* a vot...Two thirds are required for an election *or* a vote of no confidence. Hence why an election is a live possibility.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-56393353352834090242018-12-13T17:47:09.883+00:002018-12-13T17:47:09.883+00:00If Yvette Cooper had been Labour leader then May w...If Yvette Cooper had been Labour leader then May would have gone over a year ago!<br /><br />Which tells you a lot about Yvette Cooper and the reason May is going nowhere!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-69967835968085469882018-12-13T12:30:21.848+00:002018-12-13T12:30:21.848+00:00Two-thirds required for election. Not going to hap...Two-thirds required for election. Not going to happen - why do you keep pretending it will? You're as bad as the Labour leadership - the only reason they keep putting off the no-confidence vote is that they know that following that will have to come a call for an election, which will not succeed, then a call for a referendum, which they do not want. <br /><br />May will stay.<br />There will be no election. <br />There will be no real movement from the EU. <br />Parliament will not accept May's deal. <br /><br />We are therefore left with two options: referendum or no deal. <br /><br />It is conceivable that a referendum could not include the option of remaining, but that seems unlikely, and the result most likely to be no deal - who is going to campaign on a deal MPs have rejected? On the other hand, the Brextremists are likely to campaign for no deal and the (few) voters who turn up for the referendum likely to go for it. <br /><br />It is really fascinating in its way - short of an alien invasion, nothing is going to put this car crash off: no deal or referendum likely to include the option of Remain. It seems likely that the amendment the House will make - as we hurtle toward no deal - will be for a referendum (what else can they say or do?). Based on a stv the result could still be close and will fail to heal any of the nation's wounds. <br /><br /><br /><br />Speedynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-83748512347738863092018-12-13T11:08:19.322+00:002018-12-13T11:08:19.322+00:00The fact that May had 117 votes against her, and t...The fact that May had 117 votes against her, and that she has been mortally wounded by it shows the significance of mounting such a challenge even if you have no immediate chance of winning the vote.<br /><br />Labour's message should be that May does not have the support of the opposition parties, and does not have even the support of 117 of her own members. She should go. Because the vote means that May cannot be challenged inside the Tory Party for the next year, it means necessarily that the obvious lack of confidence in May by parliament means a lack of confidence in the Tory Party itself, because for the next year, May and the Tory government are synonymous.<br /><br />Had Labour been actually mobilising the social movement it promised it was going to do, and had built it around opposition to Brexit, it would by now have been able to assert a powerful force on events. It failed to do so, and should remedy that situation straight away.Boffyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08157650969929097569noreply@blogger.com