tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post7954678295714779427..comments2024-03-19T09:00:56.265+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: On Labour's Victorious Campaign in StokePhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-28514372770281192017-02-28T10:51:39.822+00:002017-02-28T10:51:39.822+00:00Just to let you know Phil, the Conservatives are b...Just to let you know Phil, the Conservatives are busy canvassing after the election 27/02/17 and I was approached for all future voting intentions on many subjects.<br />Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-72238994434324686672017-02-27T16:54:59.254+00:002017-02-27T16:54:59.254+00:00Hi Phil,
Thanks for this, a welcome lift after a ...Hi Phil,<br /><br />Thanks for this, a welcome lift after a weekend of the Tory media banging on about the 'disaster' of Copeland, ably aided and abetted by senior labour figures who should know better.<br /><br />I did 4 Saturdays in Stoke, travelling up from Warley (Near Birmingham for your readers who don't know it). I did it not because I liked the candidate's policies (although all I knew was he had not supported Jeremy last year), but because he was the labour party candidate (the fact that he was selected by the local CLP & not parachuted in was a plus point though). I also gave up my 4 Saturdays, because it was crucial to push UKIP back.<br /><br />I suspect the dozens of people I met and canvassed with from all over the country, were there for exactly the same reason.<br /><br />Like you I only found one person who said they would not vote Labour, because of Corbyn. Bizarrely because although he was a leave voter, it was Corbyn's "fault for failing to get 50 of his MPS to vote for Article 50".<br /><br />John<br /><br />Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02269272926588920566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-20142304193464588272017-02-27T14:49:14.719+00:002017-02-27T14:49:14.719+00:00Steve
Let's remember that many predicted a UK...Steve<br /><br />Let's remember that many predicted a UKIP gain when Hunt flounced off. And much of the media proceeded to big up Nuttall (until his implosion) in almost hysterical fashion - as many had done since he became UKIP leader. <br /><br />A good example was the Guardian's egregious "bigotry correspondent" John Harris who declared Labour doomed and almost salivated at the prospect of a UKIP victory. Later on Polly Toynbee from the same visit condescended to pay a visit to Stoke (no doubt it was a traumatic experience for her to venture outside the M25) and claimed she could find no Labour voters and UKIP were going to win.<br /><br />Talking about a "halved majority" ignores that turnout was down. It was a modest swing against Labour overall - had that been repeated in Copeland, the Tories would not have won.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-57353337216535339852017-02-27T13:09:47.124+00:002017-02-27T13:09:47.124+00:00A win is a win and its not to be sniffed at. Beati...A win is a win and its not to be sniffed at. Beating Nuttall and returning a new Labour MP is very good news. But goodness didn't we have to work hard for it. Impressive effort from locals, as well as the many people who travelled to help out. <br />But...majority halved is not a result that should fill us with any great enthusiasm. Along with Copeland, this was not a good night for us and we should be alarmed at where we are in the polls, and the trajectory they are following. Alarm bells should be loudly ringing in the leader's office, party HQ and all our CLP's.<br />For now, though, its well done Gareth. Hope he makes a dent at Westminster and turns out to be first rate MP.<br /><br />Steve Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-5027220201109104962017-02-27T12:59:19.116+00:002017-02-27T12:59:19.116+00:00Yes, thanks for the coverage, Phil, and for the wo...Yes, thanks for the coverage, Phil, and for the work you and the local LP put in to hold the seat. Had Nuttall won, it would have been a disaster for the whole of the socialist/liberal/progressive movement. Sectional arguments about the Corbyn leadership are trivial compared with the importance of pushing back against our own "alt right". MikeBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-57884172745930394062017-02-27T12:57:24.824+00:002017-02-27T12:57:24.824+00:00Yes, thanks a lot Phil for writing some excellent ...Yes, thanks a lot Phil for writing some excellent reports, and showing up how superficial much of the national media coverage is. Ednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-77572900282592009852017-02-27T12:46:57.029+00:002017-02-27T12:46:57.029+00:00Mick
Pride comes before a fall, you arrogant bray...Mick<br /><br />Pride comes before a fall, you arrogant braying Tory tosser.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-5274692917125014722017-02-27T12:36:43.519+00:002017-02-27T12:36:43.519+00:00One observation about both these by-elections: it ...One observation about both these by-elections: it used to be said that when MPs resigned to swan off to a nice job somewhere else they tended to get punished by voters to some extent. I suspect that may have happened - to some extent - in both Copeland and Stoke. Andrew Curryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05593851567827102782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-35312664487128489172017-02-27T11:49:48.785+00:002017-02-27T11:49:48.785+00:00A welcome win for Labour. Well done Stoke Central ...A welcome win for Labour. Well done Stoke Central comrades, and thank you Phil for your thoughts and observations. Is it enough to forestall #chickencoup2? Probably not. The Blairites have to strike before the McDonnell amendment can be passed at conference in the autumn. So, fasten your seat belts folks!Shai Masothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00452453462950704943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-35322408013106121822017-02-27T11:21:37.007+00:002017-02-27T11:21:37.007+00:00I really enjoyed this piece. It reminds me of the ...I really enjoyed this piece. It reminds me of the BNP or SWP grabbing figleaves when they’ve been the pathetic losers. The Left in denial as fewer people love them is just the punishment these divisive people deserve.<br /><br />Labour’s vote in Stoke was only half that of 1997, so it’s hardly been a small drop. Same with everywhere. Labour’s victory was only Pyrrhic as it came despite what they are, a bunch of divided whackjobs who would rather look down on the public they never understood properly, even when New Labour dished up their best victories. Lately, they would prefer to cockblock Brexit rather than respect the wishes of the plebiscite even now.<br /><br />Snell and the other Labourites openly rubbished Brexit and plunged the district into multi-million Pound debt. Yeah, despite boasting being good at figures.<br /><br />And remember that, on the council, around half a dozen council members recently resigned in protest at the council’s own ineptitude.<br /><br />So even when Labour win, they lose. And that’s not to mention losing their other little kingdom which they held for 80 years. It’s rare for an opposing ruling party to take a place which is the other side’s heartland. But fear not, Corbyn has the rescue plan, for Labour to deliver the most radical Marxist redistribution of wealth and resources yet dreamt of. Stealing and people herding, in other words.<br /><br />Yeah, good luck with that known failure. But all shades of Labour are discredited, so they’re bound to lose, even during Austerity. No wonder all the Left see fit to do are call for wildcat strikes and have tantrums in the street about the US President. They’re only killing themselves faster, and all for my amusement.Micknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-30960454970210017122017-02-27T09:37:28.994+00:002017-02-27T09:37:28.994+00:00There is a "Thanks for that Jamie" attit...There is a "Thanks for that Jamie" attitude in Copeland towards the former MP. The Tories were up and running before Labour got off the ground.jim mcleannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-42344845845597496032017-02-27T09:03:36.352+00:002017-02-27T09:03:36.352+00:00Phil thank you so much for this report and your pr...Phil thank you so much for this report and your previous reports on the election. This serious and balanced reporting and analysis have been a life line. Without them I would have had to rely on professional reporters! Their contemporary and subsequent copy suggested an acritical following of an editorial line of anti-Corbynism. But even more worrying - if LP members are not used to our leaders being trashed, then heaven help us - is the lazy ignorance betrayed by the professionals.Badgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-54945797455051787482017-02-27T08:55:21.072+00:002017-02-27T08:55:21.072+00:00Well done! Although you will be well aware this vi...Well done! Although you will be well aware this victory has Pyrrhic written all over it. The man will not be content until he has destroyed the Labour Party, and I am not talking about Paul Nutter. Jeremy has devoted his whole life to undermining the notion that working people can thrive under capitalism, not least thanks to a party that supports their interests - nothing is going to stop him now. Speedynoreply@blogger.com