tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post7500104426873097825..comments2024-03-27T09:14:27.496+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: WALL-EPhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-11197869792270552652010-05-21T18:09:02.610+01:002010-05-21T18:09:02.610+01:00Well, this discourse seems to parallel very much t...Well, this discourse seems to parallel very much to Jean P. Baudrillard's theory of Consumer Society and all thing simulacra; on how the panoptic & repressive effect of social institutions (in the Foucauldian sense) has evolved towards a image-centric, seductive effect of a (post)modern condition of existence.Minhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04675433255290862851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-54037976732774521292008-09-18T12:36:00.000+01:002008-09-18T12:36:00.000+01:00I'm gonna sound like I'm taking this too seriously...I'm gonna sound like I'm taking this too seriously, but I've scoured the net and not found many decent left critiques of this film. <BR/><BR/>The techno fetish of Wall-E is awful. I am surprised that the charge of 'anti-human' seems to be mainly coming from the right in North America. <BR/><BR/>This story disempowers, ridicules and belittles humankind in a broad brushed way, and sets technology in the heroic spotlight. Technology - 'robots' - who have now become, somehow, intelligent and even sentient. In fact, they're more in touch with their feelings than us. More human than human, perhaps. And more endearing to human audiences, than the on-screen representation of humans themselves. Please. <BR/><BR/>Why applaud a film whose message is that we cannot be saved without help? What type of message is that? It sounds familiar...<BR/><BR/>Oh, that's right. That'd be religion. <BR/><BR/>The project of this film is anti-humanist and anti left.<BR/><BR/>Tell your children. In the future, as in the past, humans will come to their own rescue. Not robots.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-71026776932558590412008-08-26T23:33:00.000+01:002008-08-26T23:33:00.000+01:00I watched this film in a cinema full of very bored...I watched this film in a cinema full of very bored kids. As eco-fables go, WALL-E was monumentally tedious and as subtle as a bucket of lard.<BR/><BR/>As such, it was a piece of crude bandwagon jumping by Disney, and I don't really think it's worth the effort you've put into analysing it - however you have clearly put in more effort than the makers of the film did.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07745631202883795369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-16316908433708512562008-08-20T09:05:00.000+01:002008-08-20T09:05:00.000+01:00I didn't argue WALL-E's a critique of socialism, i...I didn't argue WALL-E's a critique of socialism, it is a critique of *industrialism*. The social relations we see in the film are neither here nor there. What it is concerned with is the dependence of our species on technology, a dependence that renders the contemporary human experience "inauthentic" and unhealthy.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-4717659118207314172008-08-19T12:03:00.000+01:002008-08-19T12:03:00.000+01:00I think you're right, in part, but the relationshi...I think you're right, in part, but the relationship between the central fantasy of the movie and current politics in advanced capitalist countries is a bit more interesting than you've given it credit for. Some of the contradictions Marxism associates with capitalism are definitely not considered. It is unclear, for example, what has happened to working-class people in general and indeed to the black and brown majorities of the world - the racial makeup of surviving humans might reflect that of the US or some European countries, but everyone else seems to have disappeared. Perhaps they didn't make it on the ship? We can only guess.<BR/><BR/>However, the movie turns on central satiric fantasy that grossly exaggerates certain tendencies in contemporary bourgeois consumer culture (which is accessible to some slices of the first-world working class as well as wealthier people). Social alienation, fast-food and strip-mall culture, the entertainment industry. It is a negative fantasy of a section of the middle class about what it itself is becoming.<BR/><BR/>So I disagree with your argument that the Buy-n-Large dystopia is about socialism (which, after all, was buried in 1989 so why make a movie about it in 2008)? It is a critique of contemporary consumer culture, but a critique that doesn't have anywhere to go.<BR/><BR/>If there were any radical alternatives to bourgeois consumer culture at play in our political world, I suspect this movie wouldn't have been made in the way it was. It would have to choose between being ameliorative and being trenchantly critical. Instead, it suggests a frightening possibility - this culture and economy could lead to the destruction of the world - and ends up offering a sad-sack half solution: maybe if we talk to each other "real-time" instead of texting and recreate harmony with nature and our bodies via green capitalism, things will turn out okay. The upbeat idealism of the end rings hollow if you look at it closely enough, but Disney (which, as a friend pointed out, *is* Buy-n-Large) has correctly bet that most people won't; dissatisfaction with Disneyfied culture is itself marketable, by Disney, as long as the love story has a happy ending.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-13824977088597329402008-08-17T09:38:00.000+01:002008-08-17T09:38:00.000+01:00No, not conservative by happy ending, just conserv...No, not conservative by happy ending, just conservative in terms of its general message. I'm sure films of a progressive poise don't have to be all doom and gloom! <BR/><BR/>I think the satire, such as it is, in WALL-E is blunted by the whole return to the Earth stuff. As I said in my review, this is not a critique of capitalism, even a conservative one. We have a society that is run by one all-pervasive corporation. It appears money has been done away with (adverts in the Axiom sequence imply everything is free) and there are no classes - only humans and robots. It is a society where humans are molly coddled from cradle to grave. To all intents and purposes, it is a hyper automated communist society. Except the film doesn't critique social relationships of either the capitalist or communist type. Instead it attacks the dependency we have on industrialism, as if humanity has lost its authenticity because of our alienation from nature. And at the end, the film starkly shows that we can find ourselves again by adopting a gentler, more pastoral life style.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-71545620343423574312008-08-15T11:34:00.000+01:002008-08-15T11:34:00.000+01:00Walt Disney was so far-right it hurts, but by cons...Walt Disney was so far-right it hurts, but by conservative do you just mean the happy ending? All US films have happy endings (usually after immense carnage on the way), so what is different here. The image of fat purposeless dependent humans with only commercialism for friends and a totally destroyed Earth is ironically made by Disney - a companies that pushes commercialism relentlessly. Is this brave of them, or just setting the agenda so they can reclaim it in a subtle Simpsons kind of way?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-9977925497510871412008-08-15T10:28:00.000+01:002008-08-15T10:28:00.000+01:00I hope to see this film (ditched the idea of seein...I hope to see this film (ditched the idea of seeing the X Files movie)as I saw a trailer a couple of wks ago and it looked kinda good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com