tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post7242002920858468963..comments2024-03-29T09:14:53.583+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: Syria: After the Commons DefeatPhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-64026642970298714542013-09-03T12:51:01.308+01:002013-09-03T12:51:01.308+01:00More crackers rambling.
1. It is, in my opinion, ...More crackers rambling.<br /><br />1. It is, in my opinion, incontrovertible that the Assad regime carried out the chemical attack.<br /><br />2. It does not follow that flinging missiles into a bloody war zone will do anything. The case for "doing something" remains unproved.<br /><br />3. The vast majority of the British public agree with me, not you.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-36338102190612924802013-09-02T15:26:19.467+01:002013-09-02T15:26:19.467+01:00Once you get through the utter claptrap of Wordswo...Once you get through the utter claptrap of Wordsworth and Beethoven running in Tristram's newest contribution to democracy in today's literary outing, you will witness his crowing of powerful parliamentarians not being kidded into action.<br /><br />Tough it out Syrian children, Tris wants street cred.<br /><br />It is folk such as you Phil who denounce our free democratic press as 'Tory'.<br /><br />What do you think our Tory press will do to Miliband when a gas bomb goes off in a marketplace (or children's home) in Damascus?<br /><br />You should pray for US proof of nerve agents and any unilateral bombing done thereafter.<br /><br />Any further chemical atrocity will see the Tory press destroy the left as cowards.<br />Remember, the General Belgrano was seen to turn away.<br />British design for a war was left unheard and Tristram's desire for today's truth is nothing unheard before.<br />Maggie and the Tory press all but incinerated Labour for two decades.<br /><br />Nice poetry though, all the same.<br /><br /><br />Gary elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-34988864374080873632013-09-02T13:14:15.309+01:002013-09-02T13:14:15.309+01:00Being criticised by Gary is like getting worried b...Being criticised by Gary is like getting worried by a gumless sheep.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-22002881069753133432013-09-02T10:21:52.603+01:002013-09-02T10:21:52.603+01:00Phil, I believe I made it quite clear that I did n...Phil, I believe I made it quite clear that I did not know whether President (election winner) Assad had launched a chemical attack upon his own people because no-one proved it to me.<br /><br />I'm a very important person and I need to be informed properly before any decision to bomb is made.<br /><br />You mistake my intentions (as usual)for someone who does not consider politics properly.<br /><br />I, like 650 MPs like me, need simple proof of evidence before making a considered opinion turn into a considered decision.<br /><br />'I am a socialist, not a pacifist'.<br /><br />Give me proof and I'll drop a Tomahawk down his bunker.<br /><br />This is where I divert from proof, considered opinion and considered decision making.<br />I can now have a view of events and how they are likely to be played out or interpreted.<br />Not for me anymore the devout defence of Labour and Leaders under pressure. Not for me to shore up waverers (pacifists)in Stoke-on-Trent and not for me to absorb any inside or outside party political pressures from within a left wing leaning, Blair hating City.<br /><br />Nope, I can have my own opinions free from personal criticism.<br />And this is it:<br /><br />Bair wins on the next atrocity or proof of a past atrocity.<br />Blair is seen as decisive, Ed is seen as a weakling to Cameron's firmness (but fair) Lead.<br />Cameron needs no proof, Obama needs no proof but a few Tories and Labourists do.<br /><br />Proving Sarin gas (not in your link) is still not good enough. Everyone has Sarin gas don't we?<br /><br />Phil, it is one thing to know a bit about something to do with politics, like you do. It is another to understand politics, like I do.<br />Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-6905321414975807352013-09-01T21:04:43.885+01:002013-09-01T21:04:43.885+01:00Should've known our friend Gary would be cheer...Should've known our friend Gary would be cheering on intervention.<br /><br />The only intervention that is serious, credible, and would restore Dave's standing in the world would be formulating and pushing a proper peace plan. He won't because "Dave doesn't do detail". He'd much prefer to fire and forget, thinking that somehow will tick the humanitarian box.<br /><br />Interestingly, <a href="http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/britain-sold-nerve-gas-chemicals-2242520" rel="nofollow">guess who supplied Syria</a> with nerve gas chemicals 10 months after the civil war erupted.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-19603001773525182242013-09-01T18:59:53.216+01:002013-09-01T18:59:53.216+01:00Anon - the authentic voice of the intellectually-b...Anon - the authentic voice of the intellectually-bankrupt Left.<br /><br />The "Arab masses" in Syria are not all liver-eating Islamic radicals pal. About 10 per cent are Christians for a start. 30 per cent are Shias and Alawites, whom your "radicals" probably hate more than Israelis and would happily exterminate. <br /><br />Your perspective typifies the racist orientalism of the likes of the SWP who don't believe the Muslim "masses" know any better and have a secret admiration for the universalism of Islamism which after the death of communism appears to be the "only game in town". <br /><br />You come from the perspective than "anything" is better than Western imperialism ignoring (being racist orientalists) that Islam is simply Eastern imperialism. <br /><br />And you don't care because you don't have any other ideas. Speedynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-24472530448466133802013-09-01T16:03:27.199+01:002013-09-01T16:03:27.199+01:00.....and on behalf of all lefties, down with chemi........and on behalf of all lefties, down with chemicaling babies<br /><br />Just saying.Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-24175070550357468262013-09-01T11:07:25.139+01:002013-09-01T11:07:25.139+01:00Not a game changer at all. Fundamentally 'our&...Not a game changer at all. Fundamentally 'our' nation is still the same bully boy it has always been and will support dictatorships if it sees its interests being supported and will moralise against dictatorship if it supports its interests. Syria is still not safe from these vultures.<br /><br />The Syrians themselves are still pawns on the chess board. Their nation has been torn apart by imperialist intrigue, as has the whole region. We need the imperialists out and we need the Arab spring to reawaken from its slumber.<br /><br />For 'liberals' like speedy the unwashed masses are there to be moulded and guided along the enlightened path by their 'betters'. They are not to be allowed to make their own society, with all the mistakes that brings. No they shall abide by our 'advanced' values!<br /><br />Syria is a tragedy because a genuine revolt has been deformed into a bloody hate fest and the brutal bastard Assad still commands. The 'liberals' fear the Arab masses, because they fear so called 'Islamic radicalism' (i.e. the people). The masses will make mistakes along the way but until they are freed from their oppression (internal and external) no headway will be made.<br /><br />This is why the Western backed military coup in Egypt was such a regressive step.<br /><br />Down with dictators, yes to Islamic radicalism!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-43304668352666923832013-08-31T20:21:50.872+01:002013-08-31T20:21:50.872+01:00We've also had a few Scots PMs and a Welsh one...We've also had a few Scots PMs and a Welsh one, but that's not really the point... this is the English tradition so why apologise for saying so?Speedynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-6806759429792948982013-08-31T18:04:49.017+01:002013-08-31T18:04:49.017+01:00I am sure Robin Cook would have agreed with you.I am sure Robin Cook would have agreed with you.ejhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01582272075999298935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-53127611567799835382013-08-31T14:20:20.757+01:002013-08-31T14:20:20.757+01:00England, as in "speak for England Arthur"...England, as in "speak for England Arthur". It's an overwhelmingly English parliament, English tradition, English population. George Orwell didn't write "Socialism and the English Genius" for nothing. The rest is genuflecting PC bollocks to quiet the 10 per cent of Celts who despise us anyway. Speedynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-34989086482559171312013-08-30T20:27:46.366+01:002013-08-30T20:27:46.366+01:00England?England?ejhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01582272075999298935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-60080038477464914242013-08-30T20:08:04.568+01:002013-08-30T20:08:04.568+01:00UN inspector Carla Del Ponte on evidence that the ...UN inspector Carla Del Ponte on evidence that the rebels used chemical weapons.<br /><br />http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/6/syrian-rebels-used-sarin-nerve-gas-not-assads-regi/#ixzz2d3evRX4o<br /><br />Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18097624792336619525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-69951506006771976872013-08-30T17:36:24.057+01:002013-08-30T17:36:24.057+01:00Robin Cook's the winner, no?
It was a genuine...Robin Cook's the winner, no?<br /><br />It was a genuine paradigm shift - modern Britain came of age. <br /><br />The rest will be forgotten when a new "crisis" comes along, but unexpectedly in this age of globalisation and cynicism the British Parliament spoke. <br /><br />Parliament, poised in its uncertain coalition, felt obliged to listen to the People for a change, to catch up with where they're at instead of continuing to fancy itself somewhere around 1910. <br /><br />A glimpse of hope in the face of a future that seems relentlessly grim. Thank you England. <br /><br />Speedynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-88193918077804307402013-08-30T13:12:29.089+01:002013-08-30T13:12:29.089+01:00"No British Prime Minister can offer a carte ...<i>"No British Prime Minister can offer a carte blanche again."</i><br /><br />No British Prime Minister should have offered a carte blanche in the first place.<br />C_Oliverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17816922541525017016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-59245971707556120572013-08-30T12:26:47.161+01:002013-08-30T12:26:47.161+01:00Point 8:
Tony Blair the winner by a million milli...Point 8:<br /><br />Tony Blair the winner by a million million million miles.<br /><br />Not only would he have secured a winning vote, he now looks the decisive Leader and prepared to put his God conscience to one side to hit back.<br /><br />Atrocities will now pile up and Labour will look the appeaser.<br />Ed the cautious will only abandon that stance on the next atrocity that could have been stopped, oh but for him.<br /><br />Proof certainly needed even to me but the case that rebels have chemical weapons is very very weak.Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.com