tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post710098056095198918..comments2024-03-27T09:14:27.496+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: The Tory Party's 15% StrategyPhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-46461107221845899112014-10-05T11:20:04.794+01:002014-10-05T11:20:04.794+01:00Of course you're another lefty, only we have r...Of course you're another lefty, only we have raised fratricidal hairsplitting to an art form! :)<br /><br />But you're wrong. Because you assume the Tories have a complex picture of the demographics constituting the mythical Middle Britain, and that then informs their politics accordingly. They don't. If they did, then perhaps they'd be more reticent about doling out tax cuts with one hand and clawing the savings back with hefty cuts to working tax credits on the other, for example.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-74701374711065614442014-10-05T11:07:37.976+01:002014-10-05T11:07:37.976+01:00"I think some might wish to look up 'rhet..."I think some might wish to look up 'rhetorical device' :)"<br /><br />If you hadn't said that the Tories didn't have a clue what the middle ground is this might make sense. However, concretely the Middle Ground should be looked at in terms of families (or demographics) and not individuals.<br /><br />So I think you are more clueless than the Tories here.<br /><br />BTW I am a communist and effing hate the Tories!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-80790343071700817162014-10-03T13:16:05.240+01:002014-10-03T13:16:05.240+01:00Thanks for the detail David.
I'm aware that we...Thanks for the detail David.<br />I'm aware that we signed up to the HRA via the Council of Europe soon after WW2 with Churchill's insistence and it includes almost everyone in Europe, including Russia.<br />Our departure from the HRA and the European Convention (one and the same) puts Great Britain on a collision course with the world as an International pariah state.<br />That is my view.<br />I gather that my rights will still be upheld via the courts regardless of anything going on in the UK but Cameron faces being expelled for not being a member of it.<br />For example:<br />Prisoners are entitled to a vote at election time, but not according to Cameron.<br />We shall see in 2015 who is right here.<br />The ruling doesn't entitle prisoners compensation but is entitling them a vote.<br />A 'supposed' terrorist challenges through the courts the 'no' evidence given against him and lo and behold, 60 million British subjects lose their right to challenge under the HRA.<br />This is a useless bit of paranoia dressed up as credible politics.<br /><br />David, you are saying that our removal from the HRA doesn't compromise our membership.<br />The Leaders of Europe have made it crystal clear that tailoring membership to suit a single country is a non starter (as Dave signed the paper employing Jean-Claude Juncker while still protesting).<br /><br />Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-19068525831351499322014-10-03T10:15:50.840+01:002014-10-03T10:15:50.840+01:00Good point, well made ;)Good point, well made ;)Andreas Patersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06431120459465519240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-3331498433380133372014-10-03T10:04:06.194+01:002014-10-03T10:04:06.194+01:00I think some might wish to look up 'rhetorica...I think some might wish to look up 'rhetorical device' :)Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-18355513086393805312014-10-02T22:30:39.138+01:002014-10-02T22:30:39.138+01:00I've written a blog offering an alternative vi...I've <a href="http://www.citizenandreas.co.uk/andreas/2014/10/02/middle-britain-its-bigger-than-you-might-think" rel="nofollow">written a blog</a> offering an alternative view, suggesting in a similar way to "anonymous" above that the reach of the Tories tax cutting might be a little further than just the top 15%.Andreas Patersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06431120459465519240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-28755402993306821982014-10-02T16:58:53.778+01:002014-10-02T16:58:53.778+01:00I think the speech was pitched to the middle groun...I think the speech was pitched to the middle ground family and not the middle ground individual. For example a woman who works for £20K a year but is the partner of someone on £40k+ per year (or the other way round) is part of the middle ground.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-86332200102088573362014-10-02T16:06:15.815+01:002014-10-02T16:06:15.815+01:00@Gary, the HRA is a purely domestic piece of legis...@Gary, the HRA is a purely domestic piece of legislation. It is not mandated by the EU. <br /><br />Though the EU requires all members to be signatories of the European Convention on Human Rights, that convention (and the Stasbourg court that upholds it) is actually the work of the Council of Europe, not the EU, and dates from 1953. The UK was a founder signatory.<br /><br />The EU subsequently extended the Convention (notably to workplace rights) through the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union, which came into effect with the Lisbon Treaty in 2009, however the UK secured an opt-out as part of the treaty negotiations, which makes the Charter irrelevant in practice.<br /><br />The original reason for passing the HRA was to "bring rights home" by making UK courts the chief adjudicator of breaches of the Convention, though final appeal to Strasbourg remains.<br /><br />Abolishing the HRA will not change the UK's status vis-a-vis the Convention, nor will it compromise our membership of the EU. Ironically, it will deprive UK courts of power relative to Strasbourg.<br /><br />The abolition should therefore be seen as of a piece with a new Bill of Rights, which would presumably "restore" power to UK courts and include various eye-catching guff about ancient liberties, to distract from the actual repressive shit (which Labour will unfortunately support).David Timoneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03568348438980023320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-52060980956201174912014-10-02T10:20:19.851+01:002014-10-02T10:20:19.851+01:00Labour's to lose?
£12.5K top rate and 100% pen...Labour's to lose?<br />£12.5K top rate and 100% pension fund?<br />Dave's commitment to withdrawing from the human rights act is his weak spot and he should be absolutely wasted by the left in concert.<br />My guess is that he can't actually do this without breaching all EU and International laws thus making Great Britain an Internal pariah state.<br />To be a member of the EU a country has to agree to the HRA.<br />It's going to be fun.<br />Who isn't a signatory to the act?Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.com