tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post6854614034577028803..comments2024-03-27T09:14:27.496+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: Branch Meeting: Economic Blocs and MoneyPhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-41939310885206923892007-11-21T22:44:00.000+00:002007-11-21T22:44:00.000+00:00No problem, Darren. Also, I will be responding to ...No problem, Darren. Also, I will be responding to the Russian Revolution debate in a future post, if you want to pass that on.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-91034944487348187872007-11-21T17:44:00.000+00:002007-11-21T17:44:00.000+00:00Phil,there is a group in the States, but for the f...Phil,<BR/><BR/>there is a group in the States, but for the first year and a half of being over here I didn't transfer my membership because of the whole rigmarole of going through immigration.<BR/><BR/>Couldn't be arsed to getting round to changing the byline 'cos I liked the play on the old Simon and Garfunkel tune. It's not often I'm so inspired.<BR/><BR/>With regards to the withering away versus abolition question, it's struck me that, in my experience, the people from the various vanguardist traditions I've encountered have been more inclined to subscribe to the politics of 'socialism' as opposed to the higher stage of 'communism'. <BR/><BR/>I guess it's not that surprising as it's the former programme that people are attracted to and recruited into,rather than the latter, and as you mentioned above it does appear that there isn't a readily available text to hand which goes into this aspect of your (ultimate) case.<BR/><BR/>cheers,<BR/>Darren<BR/>PS - apologies if the above is a bit garbled. I'm a bit spaced at the mo'. I may come back to it.Imposs1904https://www.blogger.com/profile/04043116442576404667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-12384749363570537732007-11-21T11:54:00.000+00:002007-11-21T11:54:00.000+00:00I'm sure trotsky discusses this issue in The Revol...I'm sure trotsky discusses this issue in The Revolution Betrayed. But definitely, all the comrades I know agree with this.Leftwing Criminologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369810078697007763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-78280546229436137692007-11-21T09:15:00.000+00:002007-11-21T09:15:00.000+00:00Btw, is there not a WSM group in the US?Btw, is there not a WSM group in the US?Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-41196777712041231922007-11-21T00:53:00.000+00:002007-11-21T00:53:00.000+00:00Your wish is my command!On the money issue, are yo...Your wish is my command!<BR/><BR/>On the money issue, are you sure you're not mixing non-abolitionists with those who think money would wither away?<BR/><BR/>Off to bed. Play nicely now.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-54389298572187512062007-11-21T00:19:00.000+00:002007-11-21T00:19:00.000+00:00" I've never personally encountered anyone from an...<I>" I've never personally encountered anyone from any tradition who believes money wouldn't be abolished."</I><BR/><BR/>Erm, I've encountered hundreds. ;-)<BR/><BR/>Hurry up and finish your posts, ffs. It'll soon be time for Socialism 2008 ;-)Imposs1904https://www.blogger.com/profile/04043116442576404667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-51712681344025478312007-11-21T00:12:00.000+00:002007-11-21T00:12:00.000+00:00Hi DarrenI can't point to anything off the top of ...Hi Darren<BR/><BR/>I can't point to anything off the top of my head, as you know the tradition has never been one to go in for abstract propagandising, lol. But seriously, this is the idea of socialism nearly all SP comrades I've spoken to have, although some (as you may expect) speak about the abolition of money as a property of communism rather than the 'lower phase' of socialism. Come to think of it, I've never personally encountered anyone from any tradition who believes money wouldn't be abolished.<BR/><BR/>Got a blog post to write.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-30855738002689283952007-11-20T22:48:00.000+00:002007-11-20T22:48:00.000+00:00Hi Phil,Interesting reprise of your branch's talk....Hi Phil,<BR/><BR/>Interesting reprise of your branch's talk.<BR/><BR/>To be honest, I think that's the first time I've read the SP/CWI tradition talking in terms of the ultimate abolition of money.<BR/><BR/>Could you point to any texts from your press/tradition (preferably online given my location) that goes into this in more detail.<BR/><BR/>Thanks in advance for any assistance.Imposs1904https://www.blogger.com/profile/04043116442576404667noreply@blogger.com