tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post6741529135863097037..comments2024-03-27T09:14:27.496+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: The "Surrender" of Jacob Rees-MoggPhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-31773498494605249952018-12-28T08:44:58.398+00:002018-12-28T08:44:58.398+00:00You only need to pick out the obsessives phrases s...You only need to pick out the obsessives phrases such as "sensibles" or "Yvette Cooper loving", to identify who Anonymous actually is, or more precisely what cast of sock puppet characters they belong to. Boffyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08157650969929097569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-30639097731926946602018-12-27T10:34:16.323+00:002018-12-27T10:34:16.323+00:00"The dialectic is like the forest fire, from ..."The dialectic is like the forest fire, from great destruction comes great renewal" no wonder you are "anonymous", spouting anti-Marxist "true socialist"/"reactionary socialist" drivel like that. <br />Jim Denhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01642992463679646250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-67712011317041655662018-12-21T17:17:37.787+00:002018-12-21T17:17:37.787+00:00What the Tories want is a cake and eat it Brexit, ...What the Tories want is a cake and eat it Brexit, and I don’t mean a cake and eat it in relation to the UK vs the EU but between Capital and Labour. This Brexit will still ensure that Corbyn will find it almost impossible to get through his manifesto, just as impossible if we had remained.<br /><br />Those who support remain should be honest and understand that the only programme on the agenda would be between the programme of imperialism, austerity and the gig economy of the Tories and the imperialism, austerity and the gig economy of the Yvette Cooper loving centre left. So remainers should admit that they really represent neo liberalism in all its hideous glory. Otherwise I must conclude they are frauds in one way or another.<br /><br />The other thing to bear in mind is the weakness of the EU itself, which I believe and hope will be torn apart by its own contradictions. After all we are revolutionaries are we not?<br /><br />I agree with those who say Brexit was a victory for the right and one based on anti immigrant reaction but the defenders of the EU are simply defending an embedded neo liberal bulldozer that is doomed to fail.<br /><br />The dialectic is like the forest fire, from great destruction comes great renewal.<br /><br />Only out of the ashes will the battle for a socialist Europe be possible, and one that from day one must have a socialist character. You cannot reform beasts.<br /><br />So a plague on all their houses, the rotten sewer that is Brexit and the anti democratic techno-tyranny of the EU.<br /><br />Toward the ashes with joy!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-44007854038807511382018-12-19T12:06:05.421+00:002018-12-19T12:06:05.421+00:00Speedy
OK then, what should Labour actually do?
...Speedy<br /><br />OK then, what should Labour actually do?<br /><br />Apart from, of course, putting forward a no confidence vote that AT PRESENT (ie before any "meaningful vote" on May's deal) has precisely zero chance of actually passing. Suggestions, please.<br /><br />Oh, and this "Corbyn wants a no deal Brexit in order to make us some sort of Venezuela" centrist wank fantasy is exactly that. It says more about how deranged with hate many EXTREMELY SENSIBLE types have become than anything actually connected to the real world.<br /><br />In that actual reality, only a handful of non-Tory MPs actually want a no deal Brexit. Corbyn and McDonnell are not amongst them.<br /><br />Hope this helps :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-64693398161173775582018-12-19T08:34:58.028+00:002018-12-19T08:34:58.028+00:00There is not a chance in hell that May intends a N...There is not a chance in hell that May intends a No Deal Brexit. That is why the markets have not tanked, and the Pound has been rising rather than collapsing. The big speculators know that May is bluffing, the EU know that May is bluffing, Starmer knows that May is bluffing. Yet just as it was known all along that it was obvious to the EU that Britain had no negotiating power, and no cards up its sleeve to play, May based her negotiating strategy on the idea of being able to bluff that she did have some crafty strategy some unknown power of the UK in the negotiations that 43 years of EU membership, huge banks of financial and legal analysts, and all of the accounts of the British State available to the other sides negotiators, were somehow unaware of!<br /><br />The real reason for not coming to parliament with a plan over the last 2 years was because the Tories did not have one. Now their bluff has been called, they have capitulated to the EU, and in order to get acceptance of their capitulation they now seek to bluff parliament with the same empty hand. But, their cards are turn upright on the table for all MP's, and for financial markets to see. So, May is again trying to pretend she has some other card up her sleeve. The £2 billion of No Deal spending is just an expensive part of that empty bluff.<br /><br />The DUP will not vote for May's Deal, so she can only get it through if she can get the votes of some weak minded Labour MP's. But she's not going to persuade enough of them to outweigh the DUP and Moggies. Mogg has only said he will vote for May in a confidence vote. He and the rest of the ERG will continue to vote against her deal, and they have said so.<br /><br />So, the only way May could get the deal through would be to get sufficient Labour votes. But, then the DUP have said they would pull out of their confidence arrangement, meaning that the government would fall - though Labour would not necessarily gain their votes. So, May would be screwed unless she forms a Brexiters alliance with Corbyn, in a National Government. Such reactionary nationalist lash-ups are not unknown, but if Corbyn went down that route the LP would be destroyed.<br /><br />Unless May actually does intend to move further down the road towards a Bonapartist regime, we are headed for either a General Election in which the Tories will leave Labour to clear up the mess as they usually do, with no time to do it, or else we are headed for another referendum, where this time Leave will be decisively defeated.<br />Boffyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08157650969929097569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-79690498320534668392018-12-19T07:55:02.568+00:002018-12-19T07:55:02.568+00:00You're right that May will take us to no deal ...You're right that May will take us to no deal out of Hitlerian spite if her own deal is rejected, but what is Labour doing? It could be appealing to the pro-EU non-no dealers and trying to force its own government of national unity, it could DO SOMETHING to avoid this car crash FFS, but the only clever card Corbyn is playing is the same one as Rees-Mogg - a secret hope for scorched-earth Brexit in which the scales will fall from the eyes of the proles and they will embrace Labour's Brave New World. <br /><br />The scales should also fall from your eyes Phil - both parties are in thrall to lunatics, and the real victims will be those ordinary people whose lives are devastated as a result. Speedynoreply@blogger.com