tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post6127815862396558213..comments2024-03-29T09:14:53.583+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: Populist Politics, the BNP WayPhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-52686461319852661822009-04-13T21:03:00.000+01:002009-04-13T21:03:00.000+01:00Couldn't agree more.Couldn't agree more.The Sentinelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18407669804421969164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-79635484206135546162009-04-13T19:25:00.000+01:002009-04-13T19:25:00.000+01:00What a superb debate. Well done chaps, as a neutr...What a superb debate. Well done chaps, as a neutral observer though it was a little heavy on insults and low on substance at times.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11249817220736089013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-37822448855146964272009-04-13T15:39:00.000+01:002009-04-13T15:39:00.000+01:00Who, me?Who, me?The Sentinelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18407669804421969164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-59953677546120940192009-04-13T07:58:00.000+01:002009-04-13T07:58:00.000+01:00You just can't leave alone, can you? Why do you fe...You just can't leave alone, can you? Why do you feel compelled to have the last word?Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-48878664337816655332009-04-13T03:32:00.000+01:002009-04-13T03:32:00.000+01:00Well, I just thought I'd give you what you want Ph...Well, I just thought I'd give you what you want Phil. Massage you're ego a bit. <BR/><BR/>Sorry I couldn't work a blow up doll in here somewhere but I'm afriad I just can't tap into my adolescence the way you can.<BR/><BR/>End of thread!!The Sentinelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18407669804421969164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-14584723898712276222009-04-12T22:42:00.000+01:002009-04-12T22:42:00.000+01:00You can't let it go. Carry on!You can't let it go. Carry on!Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-34017321830409487062009-04-12T20:41:00.000+01:002009-04-12T20:41:00.000+01:00TL;DR sad man!yafi End of thread.TL;DR sad man!<BR/><BR/>yafi <BR/><BR/>End of thread.The Sentinelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18407669804421969164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-80648321571104949652009-04-12T19:42:00.000+01:002009-04-12T19:42:00.000+01:00Proof!Proof!Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-72475740043840161942009-04-12T19:27:00.000+01:002009-04-12T19:27:00.000+01:00yafi End of thread.yafi <BR/><BR/>End of thread.The Sentinelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18407669804421969164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-34814982504593699132009-04-12T18:48:00.000+01:002009-04-12T18:48:00.000+01:00TL;DR sad man!TL;DR sad man!Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-797469967141332232009-04-12T17:57:00.000+01:002009-04-12T17:57:00.000+01:00You really are a strange little man Phil, you real...You really are a strange little man Phil, you really are.<BR/><BR/>"Typical evasion, question dodging and lack of engagement with the substantive issues."<BR/><BR/>What planet are you on? <BR/><BR/>My comment on the post was on topic, reasoned and contained five links to evidence my point!!<BR/><BR/>You're response was completely off topic and personal merely calling me a "politically illiterate moron."<BR/><BR/>My second comment addressed all of the other comments in detail and then you merely responded with yet another off-topic and personal insult: "Sentinel, every time you write you expose your stupidity to the world. You don't need me to assist you"<BR/><BR/>And then a series of other off topic purely argument ad hominem barbs such as:<BR/><BR/>"Praise be for The Sentinel! Long may the light of reason shine out his arse!"<BR/><BR/>"you are politically illiterate and have demonstrated so time and again"<BR/><BR/>"I'm disturbed by your rather unhealthy obsession with me. Is there something you're not telling us?"<BR/><BR/>"you are the most tedious self-important bore I've had the displeasure of meeting since becoming a blogger"<BR/><BR/>"I don't give a shit what you think"<BR/><BR/><BR/>You haven't managed one on topic comment!!!!!<BR/><BR/>And then you managed to work all the way up to the bizarre "blow up" doll insult!!!!!<BR/><BR/>Not content with that you then end with another bizarre rant about how you know me so well (and yet you worry about me?! - when you don't know me from a bar of soap, comrade) and that how my "dysfunctional attention-seeking personality" (more argument ad hominem) will be compelled to answer when of course you're litany of insults and patently bizarre commentary of events directly invites correction - and thus you think you can then feel smug about such an obvious, transparent self-fulfilling prophecy!<BR/><BR/>And apparently, despite you being the off topic, insulting, expletive using one here I somehow have to to claim "pretended innocence"?!!<BR/><BR/>Amazing. Crazy. Beyond reality. Marxist.<BR/><BR/>If that's not the sign of a complete arse, then I don't know what is.<BR/><BR/>(And of course Duncan now has to fall silent after accusing me of making up figures that you published!!! - priceless!!!)The Sentinelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18407669804421969164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-75107891007311878122009-04-11T23:24:00.000+01:002009-04-11T23:24:00.000+01:00Typical evasion, question dodging and lack of enga...Typical evasion, question dodging and lack of engagement with the substantive issues. And for good measure you go in for a touch of projection too.<BR/><BR/>Another interesting aspect of your dysfunctional attention-seeking personality is the way you always must have the last word. You would rather dig yourself into the deepest darkest hole and make a complete fool of yourself then let someone else finish off a thread. Take this very post for example. I know you're going to reply to this and I can predict the phrases, protests and pretended innocence. And I also know that should I answer your subsequent contributions, whether it be argumentation, insults or just random lettering, you will be compelled to answer. <BR/><BR/>If that's not the sign of an ego maniac, I don't know what is.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-74485766007288212252009-04-11T22:33:00.000+01:002009-04-11T22:33:00.000+01:00Oh here we go again!Yet another 'anonymous' into t...Oh here we go again!<BR/><BR/>Yet another 'anonymous' into the mix - and just by chance, a couple of minutes before Phil posts yet more adolescent argumentum ad hominem - but I must say I am in agreement with 'anonymous' here: "blog comments are meant for engagement, debate, etc" - couldn't agree more. You wont see it around here though mate. Just more of the crap above.<BR/><BR/>And trust me Phil I couldn't give a shit about you either, and its just you're over-inflated ego again that makes you think that you're special. I comment on quite a few blogs, both left and right and some with nothing to do with politics at all.<BR/><BR/>But of course you don't try to engage on blogs and sites that disagree with you because you have no interest in engaging in real debate - you just seek mindless affirmation, and you know that neither you nor your ideas are up to the scrutiny.<BR/><BR/>Nope, when faced with real debate you have to resort to puerile insults, adolescent posturing and the old favourite: argumentum ad hominem.<BR/><BR/>But feel free to 'ban' me Phil, after all that's the nature of your ideological beast - the complete and ruthless suppression of dissent - and that's what all these argumentum ad hominem attempts at dehumanisation have been building up to.<BR/><BR/>Like I said all the way through, very, very transparent.The Sentinelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18407669804421969164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-77354600276854851312009-04-11T22:01:00.000+01:002009-04-11T22:01:00.000+01:00I am tempted Anonymous. But then again, he does hi...I am tempted Anonymous. But then again, he does his party a great disservice every time he ventures any thought on any topic.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-24693076781939464832009-04-11T21:59:00.000+01:002009-04-11T21:59:00.000+01:00I couldn't give a shit about you, Sentinel. But cl...I couldn't give a shit about you, Sentinel. But clearly there's something Duncan and I have that's got right under your skin. After all, you don't find us turning up on BNP blogs begging for recognition from our hosts. What is it Sentinel? Love? Why does a white supremacist hang around an unremarkable mid-level lefty blog when he could be spending time with his (blow up) girlfriend? Are you that desperate for friends? Care to share?Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-42755603836262627552009-04-11T21:54:00.000+01:002009-04-11T21:54:00.000+01:00On Sentinel: Ban the fucker!This is the blogospher...On Sentinel: Ban the fucker!<BR/><BR/>This is the blogosphere, not an outline of the ideal society. "No platforming" isn't a principle, but blog comments are meant for engagement, debate, etc. That is impossible with BNPers trolling about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-39580267818836174992009-04-11T19:57:00.000+01:002009-04-11T19:57:00.000+01:00And actually, yet again Duncan, the complete oppos...And actually, yet again Duncan, the complete opposite of what you say is true. <BR/><BR/>(That is in fact an easy way of deciphering the true meaning of the statements of the morally and truth challenged exteme-left: Take what the personal commentary and reverse it. The extreme left are the ultimate reverse projectionists.)<BR/><BR/>I have answered ALL of you're questions, YOU haven't answered ANY of MINE!<BR/><BR/>So go on, the least you can do after yet another of you're typical bold statements:<BR/><BR/>"Where do this figure come from? It's another 'fact' made up by Sentinel."<BR/><BR/>accusing me of making up figures that your mentor and master published is redirect the accusation at Phil and accuse him of making them up or demand that he supplies his source.<BR/><BR/>I mean, you don't have double standards do you?The Sentinelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18407669804421969164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-8530064837797877412009-04-11T17:15:00.000+01:002009-04-11T17:15:00.000+01:00Sentinel,You are like an angry child.Like I said, ...Sentinel,<BR/><BR/>You are like an angry child.<BR/><BR/>Like I said, no attempt to answer any of my questions, no attempt to engage with what I said just lots of childish insults such as mispelling 'Cockermouth', where I don't come from anyway, as 'cockinmouth'. Hilarious.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-32776728565582223012009-04-11T17:03:00.000+01:002009-04-11T17:03:00.000+01:00Oh dear, the champagne socialists are baring their...Oh dear, the champagne socialists are baring their yellow teeth again!<BR/><BR/><STRONG>brother f</STRONG><BR/><BR/>Have you ever considered reality as an option?<BR/><BR/><BR/><STRONG>Phil,</STRONG><BR/><BR/>The accurate 'champagne socialist' moniker has really stung you, has it not? I suppose if my basis and credentials in a movement were as phoney as yours and someone decided to highlight it then I would be angry too.<BR/><BR/>But, let's be accurate - you don't debate with me ANYMORE because you have been roundly beaten and embarrassed everytime you have tried it in the past, and you have had to resort to personal insults, group personal insults, bare faced lying and falsification of 'evidence'. <BR/><BR/>Knowing that you were making an arse of yourself you have now reverted to this 'I am morally superior' stance / caveat that is as transparent as it is cowardly. <BR/><BR/><BR/>a) Standard hypocrisy. I responded with evidence actually, you responded with off topic personal insults such as 'politically illiterate morons'.<BR/><BR/>b) I use evidence from all sources, but primarily sourced from mainstream newspapers, agencies, government and science organisations. And frequently I use sources that come form the 'other side of the argument' - such as the red rabble - and that statistic of 80% of gang rape defendants being black comes from an article by Darcus Howe (after research by C4.) <BR/><BR/>But then, you know all of this. It is the evidence you do not like and cannot counter so back we come to the lefts old favourite: argumentum ad hominem.<BR/><BR/>c) Just more argumentum ad hominem from a man who loses every debate he enagages in with me. <BR/><BR/>Hardly surprising given that you cling to a totally failed and discredited ideology that has murdered over 110,000,000 people world wide and now has but 5 council seats in the UK - yet you believe that this is the basis for you're world revolution!<BR/><BR/>d) Yet more pathetic argumentum ad hominem. All the more so, because, as you well know, I have never met you Phil, nor spoken to you and I don't even know what you look like and so consequently no personal motive could ever exist. <BR/><BR/>This is the true basis of that comment: When I post comments as regularly as others it is obsession - purely because I do not agree with you and you cannot counter it and so therefore you're ego and credibility are challenged. When affirmers post it is always interesting and welcome for the opposite reasons. <BR/><BR/>e) Or maybe they deserve the Gulag? An asylum? Political rehabilitation?<BR/><BR/>And coming from a man who is an left-wing extremist fanatic seeking to impose a nightmarish world of enforced political and economic uniformity on the world, a system that can only be maintained by way of secret police and terror and has claimed over 110,000,000 victims so far, its all just a little rich, don't you think Phil?<BR/><BR/>f) And more argumentum ad hominem - it's only when you came to the conclusion that you were making an arse of yourself trying to debate me that you came to this argumentum ad hominem conclusion. <BR/><BR/>Its just more very transparent caveats to avoid further damage to you're over inflated ego and fragile credibility.<BR/><BR/>g) And more yet more argumentum ad hominem. <BR/><BR/>Actually it is clear that you don't give a shit what virtually anyone thinks seeing as virtually everyone is complete disagreement with you and you're discredited ideas. Even down to the 'British jobs for British workers' protest you didn't give a shit what you're supposed cause celebre - you're purported reason for being - the workers, thought. You knew better then them didn't you? Apparently they didn't really mean what they said! And the ones that did, well, lets allude to their 'racism.'<BR/><BR/>But, the simple fact is that before too long you will give a shit what ordinary white working class people like me think Phil because we are going to take back positions of power in this country and set in place our agenda.<BR/><BR/>Until then though, you can always use you're favourite argumentum ad hominem tactics to smear anyone who dares dissent.<BR/><BR/><BR/><STRONG>Duncan</STRONG><BR/><BR/>As usual, you make up the trio in the three ring circus.<BR/><BR/>"Where do this figure come from? It's another 'fact' made up by Sentinel."<BR/><BR/>Ha ha ha - you really are priceless! The extreme left hand doesn't know what the other extreme left hand is up to does it?<BR/><BR/>No, my little elitist 'champagne socialist' friend, those figures come straight from the organ grinder - you're ringleader - Phil BC:- "What is it about an organisation that only has 56 councillors, 100 parish councillors and a member of the London Assembly that can rouse the passions like no other political party?"<BR/><BR/>So seeing as you don't believe these figures, maybe you can ask Phil why he made them up or where he got the figures from?<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>"So how much does it cost to go there then? Could you give me some figures?"<BR/><BR/>Well. why don't you tell us Duncan? You know! And why don't you tell us who's paying for it and how? <BR/><BR/>Because let me tell you the working class reality is very different to the elitists 'champagne socialists' reality: Putting a kid through college is usually too prohibitive let alone university - but Oxford? No chance. Not without enormous luck or scholarship.<BR/><BR/>And why did it have to be the elitist Oxford anyway Duncan? Why couldn't it be one near where you hail from in cockinmouth?<BR/><BR/>But if you had read the article it gave you some figures and the source, the renowned 'push' that found "Oxford University continues to be among the most expensive,with a higher index than many London institutions"<BR/><BR/>http://www.push.co.uk/New-Push-survey-reveals-huge-differences-in-living-costs-at-universities/<BR/><BR/>Once again Duncan, it is not me you are desperately trying to argue with, it is reality.<BR/><BR/>And here are the just the fee's for where you attend:<BR/><BR/>http://www.balliol.ox.ac.uk/admin/freshersguide/tuition_fees/university.asp<BR/><BR/><BR/>"I'd have to second Phil on this point though, it's pointless to argue with Sentinel as he never engages with what's been written. Each new comment is the start of a new rant where he forgets everything which has been written before."<BR/><BR/>And some low-level affirmation argumentum ad hominem from the apprentice. <BR/><BR/>All very transparent caveats from very transparent people.<BR/><BR/>Like I said, I win every 'debate' hands down because the truth is on my side - and that is something you can neither counter nor handle.<BR/><BR/><BR/>And <STRONG>Ian</STRONG>, it is the other way around - the 'champagne socialists' are upset and throwing their toys out of the pramThe Sentinelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18407669804421969164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-52982750118779392612009-04-11T11:31:00.000+01:002009-04-11T11:31:00.000+01:00Hi PhilI see you have got the master race wound up...Hi Phil<BR/><BR/>I see you have got the master race wound up again. Keep it up.<BR/><BR/>Ianianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13565935718500940885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-30732536721822206342009-04-11T11:02:00.000+01:002009-04-11T11:02:00.000+01:00Compared to the BNP's 157 elected officials!Where ...<I>Compared to the BNP's 157 elected officials!</I><BR/><BR/>Where do this figure come from? It's another 'fact' made up by Sentinel.<BR/><BR/><I>according to you're own rabble the WRP</I><BR/><BR/>Nothing to do with me.<BR/><BR/><I>Oxford University among the most expensive.</I><BR/><BR/>So how much does it cost to go there then? Could you give me some figures?<BR/><BR/>How much does it cost to other universities in England and Wales?<BR/><BR/>I'd like some figures to support you assertions Sentinel not headlines from from tiny leftwing websites no-one reads.<BR/><BR/><I>elitist windows</I><BR/><BR/>Haha!<BR/><BR/><I>So its played out in unions instead</I><BR/><BR/>Well union members do keep voting for us!<BR/><BR/>I'd have to second Phil on this point though, it's pointless to argue with Sentinel as he never engages with what's been written. Each new comment is the start of a new rant where he forgets everything which has been written before.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-88095415961027438372009-04-11T09:00:00.000+01:002009-04-11T09:00:00.000+01:00I don't debate with you Sentinel because a) you ne...I don't debate with you Sentinel because <BR/><BR/>a) you never engage with what's being said - see above<BR/><BR/>b) you use tendentious data and present it as definitive facts<BR/><BR/>c) you are politically illiterate and have demonstrated so time and again<BR/><BR/>d) I'm disturbed by your rather unhealthy obsession with me. Is there something you're not telling us?<BR/><BR/>e) your "ideas" deserve derision, not debate<BR/><BR/>f) you are the most tedious self-important bore I've had the displeasure of meeting since becoming a blogger<BR/><BR/>g) I don't give a shit what you thinkPhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-23158918862168359092009-04-11T07:51:00.000+01:002009-04-11T07:51:00.000+01:00'The Sentinel said...This multi-cult experiment is...'The Sentinel said...<BR/>This multi-cult experiment is a disaster - and so is every other Marxist imposed fantasy turned reality turned nightmare.'<BR/><BR/><BR/>Hahahaha! you are priceless, ever considered doing stand up?brother_Fhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/brother_f/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-56901872504415562882009-04-11T05:29:00.000+01:002009-04-11T05:29:00.000+01:00That's the way Phil, more childish and puerile rub...That's the way Phil, more childish and puerile rubbish from you! <BR/><BR/>Anything to distract away from the fact that you can't hold you're own in a real debate. You are intelligent enough to know that you are not intelligent enough to win. That's something I guess.<BR/><BR/>Like I said, the facts are not on you're side.<BR/><BR/>This multi-cult experiment is a disaster - and so is every other Marxist imposed fantasy turned reality turned nightmare.<BR/><BR/>You know, facts like in 80 per cent of the cases of gang rape, the defendants are black; Women and girls of white or European appearance accounted for 59% of victims; Black youngsters are five times more likely to be in prison... or maybe that some of our esteemed Islamic citizens hate us so much they blow themselves up on tube trains and buses whilst our Islamic guests plot more death and destruction...or maybe 'A hidden world in which Asian men “groom” young white girls for sex has been exposed with the jailing yesterday of two men for child-abuse offences...parents have complained that in parts of the country with large Asian communities white girls as young as 12 are being targeted for sex by older Asian men yet the authorities are unwilling to act because of fears of being labelled racist...Ann Cryer, a Labour member of the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee{...}added: “I think there is a problem with the view Asian men generally have about white women. Their view about white women is generally fairly low. They do not seem to understand that there are white girls as moral and as good as Asian girls.”...<BR/><BR/>You know, facts like that.<BR/><BR/>Nice one Duncan 'proving me wrong' -, ha ha - 5 councillors!! Compared to the BNP's 157 elected officials! Not doing so good are you really? But of course, its because you're a politcal party where 'elections aren't a significant part of our activity!!" Amazing.<BR/><BR/>Funnily enough though, it does seem to be a significant enough part of you're activities when actual elections come around though, taking it upon yourselves to tell people who they can and can't vote for. It certainly seems important then.<BR/><BR/>The fact that the red rabble don't stand much at all is a combination of fear, lack of funds and more fundamentally, a complete lack of support. Oh it is important to you, you just know that you don't have a wet farts chance of winning. <BR/><BR/>So its played out in unions instead - hijacking the sole purpose of a workplace representation scheme to try to further you're agenda - selling out the workers. But that's coming to a head too.<BR/><BR/>And Duncan, according to you're own rabble the WRP :"STUDENTS {are} PRICED OUT OF ‘POSH’ UNIVERSITIES" with Oxford University among the most expensive.<BR/><BR/>That's right - posh universities like Oxford full of pampered 'radicals' like you shouting about 'class warfare' out of elitist windows. Amazing.<BR/><BR/>Bitter? You sure are.<BR/><BR/>Phil and Duncan, the 'champagne socialist' radicals!The Sentinelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18407669804421969164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-50903580290941535332009-04-10T22:57:00.000+01:002009-04-10T22:57:00.000+01:00Proving Sentinel wrong, again.No wonder you haven'...Proving Sentinel wrong, again.<BR/><BR/><I>No wonder you haven't got one elected official</I><BR/><BR/>Around 25 members of the Socialist Party are elected members of trade union national executive committees.<BR/><BR/>Though elections aren't a significant part of our activity the Socialist Party has two councillors in Coventry, two in Lewisham and another in Huddersfield.<BR/><BR/>Is Oxford more expensive than other universities by the way?<BR/><BR/><I>'champagne socialists.'</I><BR/><BR/>Prefer bitter myself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com