tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post5530010583417697636..comments2024-03-29T09:14:53.583+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: Andrew Lilley and the Stoke Labour "Conspiracy"Philhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-3002048317794289342024-01-07T07:27:54.015+00:002024-01-07T07:27:54.015+00:00Once a conman allways a con man Once a conman allways a con man Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-66636353798362515252021-11-27T01:43:02.476+00:002021-11-27T01:43:02.476+00:00Theif theif came up north and conned again and the...Theif theif came up north and conned again and then conned his own mother out of her assetrsAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03553393851304919917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-28680066575418710482015-06-06T00:08:31.036+01:002015-06-06T00:08:31.036+01:00Cleared of it my eye got found guilty and thr iron...Cleared of it my eye got found guilty and thr irony of ironies was he never paid a penny bk to no-one moved up north and quick to accuse other people of doing what he was guilty of the sad low life Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-80872098080957092452015-04-11T22:45:20.720+01:002015-04-11T22:45:20.720+01:00Who the fuck are you anonymous. How can you say ab...Who the fuck are you anonymous. How can you say about living anywhere. Does it matter where he is living. He should have done his time by now and probably cleared of it and moving on with his life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-27786618247116033002015-03-30T16:27:54.996+01:002015-03-30T16:27:54.996+01:00E is now living up north and reaping the rewards n...E is now living up north and reaping the rewards no assets my back side posing as some one else Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-21166999615829118872013-12-31T11:49:58.239+00:002013-12-31T11:49:58.239+00:00I can only give a view of what I witnessed.
You ma...I can only give a view of what I witnessed.<br />You make a common mistake of blending personal views and actions to that of political officers and therefore see CLP officers 'campaigning' to remove a a Mayor.<br />What you actually did see was concerned individuals of all parties (and non parties) join together with a common cause to hold a referendum with a view to remove a Mayor.<br />This was agreed by all hierarchies as long as the Labour name and logo was not used.<br />The red herring is now dismantled.<br />We never saw the 2009 accounts and therefore the 2010 AGM sought action (at the point he was removed).<br />He was re installed during our suspension.<br />The WM office and the NEC were informed of impending court actions as we told them face to face in Stoke on Trent.<br />There is no falsehoods and no conspiracies on our part Phil, we were a legitimate CLP going about our legitimate ways but being turned over by the Milibands and Lordships looking to corrupt Stoke politics for their own perverse ends.<br />Your viewpoint that I couldn't voice against an elected Mayor, but could only voice in support of one frightens me and shows how low local Stoke politics and democracy has fallen.<br />It is noticed that this unchallenged Labour council now shuts down everything we fought for as you whimper and whine about real and serious former suspended and expelled members.<br />On our watch, we won everything and made National headlines.<br />On yours, you make headlines that make Stoke look stupid.Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-682340237645071052013-12-30T20:02:06.527+00:002013-12-30T20:02:06.527+00:00Lilley himself cuts a pretty sorry figure. I recal...Lilley himself cuts a pretty sorry figure. I recall his standing in Hanley pubs boasting about his own political importance, lecturing all who would listen on all aspects of socialism and trade unionism following his election to council.<br /><br />I understand that even after his arrest, with the court date pending (and presumably, his lawyers telling him he was facing a prison term) he was still going around lying and denying there was anything wrong. <br /><br />The sad reality here is that Andy Lilley lied to and conned honest people in the Labour Party both before and after the 2010 CLP suspension. He also lied to and conned a lot of people outside the party in the wider community, to the extent that there were a lot of people unconnected to local politics cheered by his conviction.<br /><br /><br />Alex Dawsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14197211489381075789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-19400945346801013412013-12-30T16:48:58.689+00:002013-12-30T16:48:58.689+00:00Carry on with what you believe, Gary. And the rest...Carry on with what you believe, Gary. And the rest of us will make do with the facts that fit the timeline.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-50491507298557324222013-12-29T22:54:26.257+00:002013-12-29T22:54:26.257+00:00Oh dear.
We removed him in February 2010.
He was r...Oh dear.<br />We removed him in February 2010.<br />He was reinstated as we, the CLP, were in suspension. We had no power or authority to do anything.<br />You put him back in.<br /><br />Stoke Central and all of its core officers did not campaign to remove anyone (that is unconstitutional).<br />We were suspended for holding our AGM in February (as per the last 50 years or so) and not in March.<br />God only knows the tripe put out to undermine Stoke via London and West Bromwhich!<br /><br />None of this has anything to do with parachuting their Lordships puppet into a Stoke vacancy and shafting the only part capable of stoping that debacle.<br />Oh no, <br /><br />A piss poor attempt. On your part to throw a swerve ball prior to the further police inquiry coming in 2014.<br /><br />(I did warn you of this in 2011 and 2012).Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-6666131827328352332013-12-29T21:36:03.941+00:002013-12-29T21:36:03.941+00:00Then where was the evidence, Gary? If you had evid...Then where was the evidence, Gary? If you had evidence of wrongdoing why didn't you take it to the police? We did and we did. I'm sure you're aware withholding evidence is an offence.<br /><br />And remember, the "AGM" you held was ruled out of order by the NEC before it sat. As a new member I received a letter from the NEC stating its unconstitutional character, as did everyone else. I know it's hard for you to realise there's a world outside Stoke-on-Trent, but being a Labour Party member has rights and responsibilities as defined by our duly elected national exec and the rule book. Stoke Central CLP was not the sovereign body like you and your clique thought, but a unit of a much larger organisation. It was therefore bound by rules and - one would think - a sense of moral responsibility to the wider organisation and the people it represents. Therefore campaigning to remove an elected Labour Party member from office you broke the rules and, as such, the party you led was put under suspension by the NEC. And they were entirely right to do so.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-9610807935621373942013-12-29T21:09:31.132+00:002013-12-29T21:09:31.132+00:00Wrong on many counts.
The accounts were proven to...Wrong on many counts.<br />The accounts were proven to be be 'wrong' before the dates you give.<br />They were audited and not signed off until they were corrected.<br />Lilley was removed by the AGM in 2010.<br />We were suspended as a CLP. At that point.<br />Lilley re appeared as CLP treasurer courtesy of the WM and NEC (against our wishes) .<br />We dealt with it and the cash went missing on your watch.<br />£10 K?<br />You take the piss.<br />Nowhere near.Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.com