tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post5375858354303017160..comments2024-03-27T09:14:27.496+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: A Life of GrimesPhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-54626330803698637832021-08-03T17:21:31.273+01:002021-08-03T17:21:31.273+01:00Seymour also though bojo would last a few weeks I ...Seymour also though bojo would last a few weeks I don't know why the left listens to him, he comes across as so arrogantAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-23981500445702224922021-08-03T10:30:39.707+01:002021-08-03T10:30:39.707+01:00@ Dr Zoltan Jorovic
I keep reading that things li...@ Dr Zoltan Jorovic<br /><br />I keep reading that things like 'woke', 'culture war' and 'cancel culture' are just confections that don't really exist, yet the people who write such things clearly recognise the actions, beliefs and behaviours those terms encompass do actually exist, and they clearly understand them to be have distinct connotations. So, I assume it's a partially realised semantic strategy; they want to normalise these things (or at least what they approve of) by demanding everyone else stops recognising the semantic differential?Kamonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-66849939042855509772021-08-03T10:22:24.113+01:002021-08-03T10:22:24.113+01:00I mean by fake that woke is something pushed by va...I mean by fake that woke is something pushed by various interest groups, this is then packaged as a trend among humans, I still believe, at this point, that most people simply do not follow these woke narratives.<br /><br />Of course, given the ruling ideas of society are those of the ruling class, then the more these woke narratives are pushed the more likely they will become a reality.<br /><br />Woke, for me, is a total regression. It is characterised by witch hunts, lack of evidence and dubious assertions. I regard it as a pre-enlightenment ideology or set of ideologies.<br /><br />At the moment woke lumps together many grievances/ideas that do not really belong together. It is a bit like Al Qaeda in this respect, many groups all over the world that have never spoken to each other, that have different ideas and histories are suddenly lumped into an organisation. Which is very convenient for the war on terror. I view woke in the same way, in that different ideas, issues, injustices, political interests, are all mashed together to give the impression of some sort of movement.<br /><br />My view is that this movement does not **currently** exist beyond a fringe of activists.BCFGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-43183592461844456662021-08-02T13:17:56.720+01:002021-08-02T13:17:56.720+01:00I think you've undersold the key point in all ...I think you've undersold the key point in all this; there is a market for being outraged about stuff, and it cuts across political ideologies; with different twists for different ideological standpoints. Of course, to see this one has to breifly step back from one's own ideological standpoint and temporarily suspend the instinct to believe this is what the other side gets up to. The largest consumer base for the likes of Grimes and Hopkins are the 'woke' who want to be outraged by them (or more likely want to be outraged on behalf of other people who they think should be offended) so they can virtue signal their modern, progressive superiority; feel guilt free joining social media piles ons, and spray words like 'hateful','triggering' and 'problematic' around without having to examine the weaknesses in their own views too rigorously. The potential customer base of genuine, hard-right, hardcore bigots is much smaller, and not so likely to be consuming the required media channels. <br /><br />There's also the b2b segment of the market to consider, the likes of Grimes and Hopkins offer pretexts for recycling cheap, stock grievance porn articles in certain channels e.g the Graun. There's a whole industry of professional 'activists' out there scrabbling around to find grievance to latch on to, and whether they like to admit it or not, they're fighting for the same scraps, which is why you see the same pretexts shoehorned into a wide variety of 'causes' depending on the speciality of the 'activist' in question.Kamonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-16759433835898443522021-08-02T13:08:24.209+01:002021-08-02T13:08:24.209+01:00As for the individual this article is about. Why ...As for the individual this article is about. Why give him publicity if that is what he craves? Better to ignore him until he slips back into obscurity.Dr Zoltan Jorovicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-59147014790569580062021-08-02T13:06:47.160+01:002021-08-02T13:06:47.160+01:00I wonder what BCFG means by woke narratives, havin...I wonder what BCFG means by woke narratives, having just claimed that woke is a fabrication. Assuming woke is a label applied to a set of views that a range of people share - although presumably like any range there will be a normal distribution of views with a large chunk in the middle, fading down in either direction to the extremes that only a few hold - then how can it be fabricated? Is BCFG claiming that these views don't exist, or that nobody holds them, or that they do exist but the people who hold them only do so to create a narrative to annoy some other set of people? That would require someone to make up the whole concept - and presumably a set of views to go with it, and then tell stories about it and convince large numbers of people that these stories are worth hearing , even though they just made it all up. I suppose that describes some of what the tabloids do, but even those who despise them would accept that most of what they publish is based on reality - it is just that they choose to frame it from a particular perspective.Dr Zoltan Jorovicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-39620389955597840192021-08-02T11:25:57.154+01:002021-08-02T11:25:57.154+01:00Attacking the RNLI is indeed hardcore, and likely ...Attacking the RNLI is indeed hardcore, and likely to split the racists.<br /><br />You see lots of, ‘can’t the refugees just die in their own country’ folk outraged by this attack on a national institution! You also see lots of ‘we need an Australian style points system’ racists outraged too. I have a relative who says they would never go to a Muslim country on Holiday (so we went to Greece and not Turkey!) who was outraged by the attack on the RNLI. To be honest even the let them die at sea folk are outraged by this attack on the RNLI.<br /><br />I don’t think this will be a turning point though. I remember Richard Seymour saying things will never be the same again after the Syrian boy was washed up on the beach and I remember thinking, what a delusional idiot. We then got the racist carnival that was Brexit.<br /><br />This grimes chap seems like the right wing version of Owen Jones. Like, can’t they both get a proper job!<br /><br />I don’t think the war on woke is a fabrication, more that woke itself is a fabrication. In that the great majority of people just don’t subscribe to its narratives, yet its narratives are constantly thrown into the mainstream by the very forces you claim want to wage war on woke.<br /><br />From what I can see the media and Westminster can’t get enough of woke narratives, and will continue to repeat it ad nausea until the masses parrot along with it.<br /><br />I guess it’s better than parroting Heil Hitler, I will say that for it.<br />BCFGnoreply@blogger.com