tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post5174986638783117256..comments2024-03-27T09:14:27.496+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: The Strange Return of Royal ReverencePhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-58821703632198025922012-12-13T10:19:50.084+00:002012-12-13T10:19:50.084+00:00Gary, as you resigned you cannot, by definition, b...Gary, as you resigned you cannot, by definition, be "expelled". The rest of your nonsense is the typical nonsense that has been challenged plenty of times, to which you reply with the usual bluster.<br /><br />Do come back when you've changed the record.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-56125418328501221702012-12-11T13:25:52.452+00:002012-12-11T13:25:52.452+00:00Would it be fair then if you classed me as a loyal...Would it be fair then if you classed me as a loyal loyalist who was loyal to the Party and very loyal to Tony and Gordon?<br /><br />Remind me again why I am the only expelled member of the Labour Party in Staffordshire serving a five year sentence?(resigned on radio 4 which startled London into sending a registered letter which makes them look stupid).<br /><br />Those campaign protests you mention, did they include a few loons with a paste table on a street corner?<br /><br />The last time I spoke to that assembled crowd was on the steps of Glebe street on election night.<br />Very noisy they were.<br />BNP this, BNP that, down with the BNP etc.......<br /><br />I spoke.....<br />It went silent..........<br />I asked them........<br />Who votes to close care homes, the BNP or Labour?<br />silence.....<br />more silence.....<br />a lone voice at the back...<br />Labour!!!<br /><br />I'd like to say that the crowd started to shout down with Labour, but they started to shout the ususal.<br />I failed.Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-31121148802289803652012-12-11T12:59:46.945+00:002012-12-11T12:59:46.945+00:00Discipline?
The Labour Group are bound by rules.
(...Discipline?<br />The Labour Group are bound by rules.<br />(Sandwell funds certain seats to obtain a winning majority but refuses to fund others)<br />You are not bound by those rules and do not suffer either discipline or a loyalty clause.<br />You are a member who can say what you like according to your conscience.<br />Opelnly promoting the Conservative Party as being the answer, would bring you into disrepute.<br />To openly bring into question the direction of a Council is not something that bothered either me or others, including MPs in the slightest.<br /><br />If you are trading your conscience for a false sell of 'discipline' (or misguided loyalty) then you will certainly not go to Heavan.<br /><br />You really didn't quite get why I supported Blair on this (and not that) while at the same time agreeing with this (but not that in Stoke).<br /><br />It's called loyalty, but not blind loyalty.<br />Labour yes, but not at any price.<br />I'm proud of my conscience Phil, regardless of it being a hinderence to my political and Parliamentary career.<br />I put principle before personal gain.<br />You can have the Mayors and care home closures and a false sense of loyalty to their cause (although your hint of secret protestations doth speak of some credit within your toenail).<br />I will continue to support the values I've always held which gains gound.<br /> Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-80479981561652659892012-12-11T12:46:17.511+00:002012-12-11T12:46:17.511+00:00Has it occurred to you Gary that the membership, i...Has it occurred to you Gary that the membership, in general, accept the programme of the council for want of an alternative? I suppose it hasn't.<br /><br />You see Gary, I would take your opposition as something other than faux internet posturing if I had seen you involved in the various protest groups and movements against cuts I've participated in during my 17 or so years in the city. But I haven't seen you at a single campaign group meeting or demonstration. Not one.<br /><br />Incidentally, when Boffy and others were going against group decisions in following a no cuts line it was your (erstwhile?) "true socialist" comrades that kicked them out. I'm sure you roundly condemned the action taken against them and waged a war of solidarity on Boffy's behalf at the time.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-75161564437329919472012-12-11T11:31:19.434+00:002012-12-11T11:31:19.434+00:00So where is the internal vote of no confidence in ...So where is the internal vote of no confidence in this Labour Group?<br /><br />When is the Labour membership to hold its extra ordinary general meeting (across the whole City) to have another say and vote?<br /><br />It is just plain ridiculous for you to suggest that the view of the membership is a secret, so secret, that it has to remain secret.<br />Just plain ridiculous.<br />Labour Group members are the political arm of the Party in Stoke.<br />They are not THE party.<br /><br />Sorry to disturb you from super Mario.<br /><br />BTW, please be ready to accept the biggest petition this City has ever seen.<br />It will have a clear message from us to you.<br />Remember also that I was around when Boffy and co used to kick off big style.<br />Bit different from you weasels toadying up to the Mayors.Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-56120350751456370862012-12-10T22:34:21.274+00:002012-12-10T22:34:21.274+00:00Has it ever occurred to you Gary that people loyal...Has it ever occurred to you Gary that people loyal to the idea of the Labour Party and the labour movement might raise their concerns in internal forums or by other means? I know the idea of discipline is an alien one to you, but you never really 'got' the labour movement, did you?Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-25990080254619104912012-12-10T18:44:21.866+00:002012-12-10T18:44:21.866+00:00Phil, please forgive me if I've disturbed you ...Phil, please forgive me if I've disturbed you from super mario supremacy.<br /><br />Labour has chosen to be silent.<br />Oh, I forgot, Kate is worthy of noise.<br />Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-43027323136171168702012-12-10T18:00:15.673+00:002012-12-10T18:00:15.673+00:00Gary, do tell us, what has Labour "done"...Gary, do tell us, what has Labour "done" to this city?Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-45138837597760101152012-12-10T11:38:59.606+00:002012-12-10T11:38:59.606+00:00Look what you have done to my City!
Look what you ...Look what you have done to my City!<br />Look what you are doing to my City!<br /><br />You said it was all my fault!<br /><br />...i'm supposed to look up to other comments about other subjects as though you must be right at least some of the time?<br /><br />You've not only ruined my City, you continue to kick old people around AND you've destroyed the Stoke Labour Party!<br /><br />If you complained publicly, respect may be offered to you.<br /><br />You remain silent because you are as one.<br /><br />That is disturbing.<br />The hard left in collusion with the hard right.<br />Sickenening.<br /><br />The subject matter on offer regarding the Royals is wide of the mark and is not to be taken seriously.Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-8927121031319737472012-12-06T22:24:10.547+00:002012-12-06T22:24:10.547+00:00Gary, why do your points on a blogpost about a nat...Gary, why do your points on a blogpost about a national political always come back to your quite disturbing obsession with Stoke-City-Council politics?<br /><br />Are you still upset at your failure to become a councillor?Alex Dawsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14197211489381075789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-47635053533680480012012-12-06T13:22:54.297+00:002012-12-06T13:22:54.297+00:00I've been making a mistake all these years. I&...I've been making a mistake all these years. I've been for mistaken for thinking an argument is trying to free itself from Gary's burblings. There isn't. He doesn't know what he's arguing half the time.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-24630671919350331322012-12-06T10:49:49.787+00:002012-12-06T10:49:49.787+00:00Come on Phil, you made a bad job of piss taking th...Come on Phil, you made a bad job of piss taking the Royals and and equally, if worse, job of promoting Republicanism ("As a Republican..").<br /><br />Face up to facts Phil, most of your causes are lost and it's sad to observe.<br />Royals, as you imply, are on the move. Canada hints at dropping alliegeance to the Monarch-send in Kate.<br />Austrailia will bail out, exclaims the temporary Prime Minister (Welsh)-send in Kate.<br /><br />What a jolly wheeze. <br /><br />It's noted that my views are somewhat 'wrong'.<br />Shut any care homes lately?<br />Just for the record, during a five minute conversation with a 'prominent' Labour member recently, I gave a plan B to shutting a care home.<br />Keep it open and fully fubd it as a vital public service.<br /><br />Easy.Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-80171764417693895122012-12-05T20:04:41.522+00:002012-12-05T20:04:41.522+00:00There was some tongue-in-cheek on Boffy's part...There was some tongue-in-cheek on Boffy's part, I feel. Different bits of revenue aren't allocated to different parts of the state's spend.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-71264823965777826672012-12-05T17:59:03.781+00:002012-12-05T17:59:03.781+00:00If it is true that the Royals are paid out of surp...If it is true that the Royals are paid out of surplus value, and I am still trying to figure out the logic of that position, wouldn't it mean that, if we didn't have Royals capitalists could, in theory, pay that money to health and education etc? So the Royals are still a burden on workers.<br /><br /><br />Chrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-73276043886155456882012-12-05T16:40:29.241+00:002012-12-05T16:40:29.241+00:00I wish you'd take up blogging. Seeing you try ...I wish you'd take up blogging. Seeing you try to make a series of original, coherent contributions would be a novelty.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-80497196669916443022012-12-05T16:37:55.394+00:002012-12-05T16:37:55.394+00:00I knew the name Phillip would come good in the end...I knew the name Phillip would come good in the end.<br /><br />You'll be throwing yourself in a puddle of water next so they can walk dryly over you.Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-4151362043346218132012-12-05T16:00:46.326+00:002012-12-05T16:00:46.326+00:00But Gary, the post is a look at how support for th...But Gary, the post is a look at how support for the monarchy has strengthened and not a critique of it as such. <br /><br />You really need to address your capacity of comprehending things lest anyone think you have a tenuous relationship to reality.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-70301470343662401752012-12-05T12:41:25.064+00:002012-12-05T12:41:25.064+00:00Oh dear, isn't it interesting that when you pu...Oh dear, isn't it interesting that when you put the squeeze on a 'socialist' (care home shutter of no protest)Republican, he actually comes out fighting and writes a completely seperate blog.<br />Amusing.<br /><br />You will not convince anyone to the contrary,on this blog, on any blog, or in the wider arena that Labour members hold a vast majority as hereditary Monarchists.<br />Be they full supporters or quietly passive.<br /><br />We can assume, with ease, that the wider public are no different.<br /><br />To push the cause of democracy by erasing a hereditary Monarchy that the public generally support is therfore a useless undertaking.<br /><br />To know that a new born is the third in-line actually does away with the endless campaigning tactics of the Presidential spin doctors who would keep us guessing.<br />'Is it Ed or is it John'?<br />(It's noted that republicans everywhere supported the Chief Constable and not the idea of John).<br /><br />Does the Monarchy support open democracy and wider economic prosperity?<br />If it's a girl, you have the answer in one and the pottery industry is in full swing!<br /><br />The biggest selling point that Republicans offer is that there is no absolute linage and on a Thursday I can vote for my choice, Ed, John or Boris, three super heavyweights.<br /><br />Cromwell got it right.Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-77108483276739681252012-12-05T11:32:09.085+00:002012-12-05T11:32:09.085+00:00I know critical thought and the ability to properl...I know critical thought and the ability to properly read what people have written is difficult for you, so let me break this post into baby chunks for you.<br /><br />1. Republicanism has always been a minority movement. There is no evidence of a resurgence.<br /><br />2. The popularity of the monarchy is on the rise.<br /><br />3. There has been an identifiable shift in the media treatment of the royals that may have something to do with it.<br /><br />4. The monarchy's current popularity rests on the Queen and the singular media entity of Kate 'n' Wills. And, to a lesser extent, the laddish larks of Harry.<br /><br />5. The continued success of the monarchy might be threatened by Charles' ascension to the throne.<br /><br />I've read and reread your contribution but cannot find a single word that disputes any of this.<br /><br />Perhaps Gary you might want to convince the readers of this place, most of whom are socialists, how supporting the monarchy is in anyway compatible with a society based on widening democracy and economic equality?Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-35479424134641280072012-12-05T11:14:52.058+00:002012-12-05T11:14:52.058+00:00sadly, Phil, it is you that has offered nothing to...sadly, Phil, it is you that has offered nothing to your own blog of Republicanism.<br />You only offered a piss-take of a very successful hereditary Monarchy that is growing in strength by the hour.<br />I offered a challenge that Republicans are fighting a lost cause in Austrailia and Canada.<br /><br />It is you that offers not even a withering defence of republicanism and I even offer up a possible prime contender in Labour's number 2.<br /><br />You offer nothing.<br />Are you upset because I return the serve and take the piss out of your 'thought provoking' blog(ers)?<br /><br />Not only do you fight a lost cause (all round) but you offer up nothing for your own cause.<br /><br />It's noted that 2 of the bloggers carry Royal names.<br />Bet that hurts.Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-17632343288431572392012-12-05T10:52:37.146+00:002012-12-05T10:52:37.146+00:00I don't know if Gary writes what he writes bec...I don't know if Gary writes what he writes because <br /><br />a) He's the worst troll ever; <br /><br />or<br /><br />b) He believes his incoherent contributions are incisive, thought-provoking additions to the discussion.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-49641844752485648502012-12-05T10:22:59.155+00:002012-12-05T10:22:59.155+00:00If ever we needed examples why the 'thinking l...If ever we needed examples why the 'thinking left' is so isolated in the UK, then have another read of this bollocks you lot have justv written.<br /><br />'As Republican....'<br /><br />'The Royals stand in the way of real change...'<br /><br />The only one who makes any real sense is Boffy, and that is only because my interpreter has gone off sick (morning sympathy sickness for Kate) and I don't undertstand any of it!<br /><br />Look what you lot have done to the working classes now that you run your local Labour Party.<br /><br />You turned on the working classes.<br />To put it more bluntly, you are to kick old people out of care homes.<br /><br />Oh yes, I forgot, it's them capitalist pig dogs who are really doing it (Kate n Wills no doubt) and not your heoric former Elected Mayors and a few mistresses (yep) in the cabinet).<br /><br />I don't think that you can comprehend the real reasoning behind the so-called rise of the new Royals.<br />My own children (similar in age to Kate n Wills) don't (didn't) know anything about Wills n Harry, due to their in-hiding status.<br /><br />Upon release, they became media friendly and my own children suddenly took notice and started to follow their movements.<br /><br />Just as Boffy and Loz obviously do to the nth degree and with a finite touch, may I add.<br /><br />The world over this is happening, including the potential Republics of Canada and Austrailia (NO CHANCE).<br /><br />To swap the golden goose of media hype and A* status for a Republican God (Ed Balls a shoo in) is something that would surely bring the axe out in many communities the UK over.<br /><br />You know who would be axed and you know deep down that your inner suppressed Royal leanings offer nothing to the table of a Republican change.<br /><br />Boffy, a suppressed Royalist if ever there was one, offers only humour.Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-65520857913174769662012-12-05T08:56:25.384+00:002012-12-05T08:56:25.384+00:00I was in my teens when Charles and Di tied the kno...I was in my teens when Charles and Di tied the knot, and spent the day off school carefully avoiding anything to do with it - I didn't watch TV all day. I've tried my best to do likewise ever since, but I'm now shacked up with someone who reads unmentionably hideous celebrity magazines, so I listen for her sake. Other than that, I say bollocks to the lot of 'em. No royal is out of bounds when it comes to piss taking, including Wanker William and Kate Vomitum. What I want to know is, will their baby be third in line to the throne if its intersex?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-8544417751262113992012-12-04T23:03:22.251+00:002012-12-04T23:03:22.251+00:00The other beneficiaries (and ultimately the victim...The other beneficiaries (and ultimately the victims) of the "hands-off the royals" behaviour by the national press following Diana are the endless streams of celebrities.<br /><br />OK, I know there were famous people before 1997. But the obsession with celebrities only really exploded when the national press realised they could no longer fixate on every potential scandal involving the royals.<br /><br />To put it another way, where they once hacked Prince Charles's phone, they were forced to back off so went on instead to hack Hugh Grant and Charlotte Church...why do we think Heat Magazine didn't exist before 1999?<br /><br />The royals have carefully repositioned themselves as "hardworking" by doing a few charity holidays and palm-pressing engagements in the lap of luxury, whilst criticism of the excess and decadence that fame and notoriety brings is instead targeted at those willing vulgar charvers who have found fame.<br /><br />Clever stuff when you think about it. The royals are about as untouchable now as they have ever been without really doing a single thing.<br /><br />I think is an extraordinarily dangerous state of affairs. Unlike some of the left who like to make light of the continued existence of our bloated monarchy as if it holds no real role, I feel it remains the biggest obstacle to serious change in this country.<br /><br />I agree Charles is a dead duck. But it is clear to me that the establishment are paving the way for a direct transition to King William.<br /><br />Lest we forget all the soldiers, coppers and others swear not to the government, but to her majesty. I still contend that in a major coming crisis where the UK government is falling, the button would be pressed to revert direct control to the King/Queen.<br /><br />Given that politicians are almost universally reviled, I can see the squaddies and rozzers welcoming direct orders from King William and Queen Kate. <br /><br />The British monarchy is the ultimate safeguard for our existing rich and powerful to retain their status, wealth and power. It is their plan B. And we ignore that fact at our peril.Alex Dawsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14197211489381075789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-28007106001608626662012-12-04T22:35:16.378+00:002012-12-04T22:35:16.378+00:00He's planning to reign as King George VII. Nam...He's planning to reign as King George VII. Name changes aren't unknown, but I think it'll be hard to make that one stick at his age.<br /><br />I don't think anyone will take him or Queen Camilla seriously for a moment - and they could be on the throne for a good while, even if he's 70+ when he accedes; they make old bones in that family. But it won't do much damage to the institution - Kate'n'Wills will be more Charles-and-Di than Charles-and-Di were, what with her being around the same age as him and not second choice.Philhttp://gapingsilence.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com