tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post5087934122380270041..comments2024-03-27T09:14:27.496+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: Understanding Jeremy Corbyn's SupportPhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-87909250388096094742015-07-21T08:24:39.318+01:002015-07-21T08:24:39.318+01:00I don't think Democratic Socialism is on offer...I don't think Democratic Socialism is on offer, and Corbyn is basically the Labourist candidate. Igor Belanovnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-52362729267671054852015-07-20T19:47:03.166+01:002015-07-20T19:47:03.166+01:00Labourism and Democratic Socialism have never been...Labourism and Democratic Socialism have never been at ease with each other.jim mcleannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-60324241079129005122015-07-18T18:58:18.155+01:002015-07-18T18:58:18.155+01:00Corbyn needs to win to let Labour Party members se...Corbyn needs to win to let Labour Party members see what a true Labour policy should be and not just a little bit less nasty copy of Conservative ones. People like me have longed for someone to wear the Labour rosette and say things that I'd forgotten were at the heart of Labour doctrine. Thankyou Jeremy Corbyn.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00655640395974371865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-54020935687115654822015-07-17T11:07:11.849+01:002015-07-17T11:07:11.849+01:00"In common with a lot of Labour members, I am..."In common with a lot of Labour members, I am a socialist".<br />Pissed myself there Phil.<br /><br />Using austerity in the General election was a stupid move and I think most thinkers think that way.<br />The rest of the cast involved in the leadership campaign have so far given out contradictory messages without really committing to any plan we have never seen before.<br />The touches that nail Blair and Brown (as Ed did) to me are junior politics looking for an audience.<br />Everyone is clever after the fact and certainly pushing for a lead position.<br />I said from t eh start that Jeremy Corbin will win and I said so in this blog. Interest that everyone is now taking Jeremy (me) serious.<br />We know how it works though.<br />I'm altering my prediction to suit.<br />It is Jeremy's to lose because my earlier prediction still holds strong. 50% of the Labour membership still can't be wrong considering the party has been split by this amount for over 10 years,<br />Undoubtedly, considered opinions within Labour will be looking for reasons to vote 'sensible' of which Jeremy will be seen as not.<br />Labour needs a bright thing brimming with ideas that will see off Osborne's gifts to the working classes.<br />A Burnham or Cooper type whom can be wheeled out as an understanding to austerity and the causes of austerity for the good.<br /><br />'There are too many Tristram's in the Labour party' wrote one media wag.<br />Too true.<br />These are the, 'we told you so' people who came out of the starting blocks 6 hours after Labour and Ed fell.<br />More austerity and more right wing-ness is the only cure for Tory ills.<br />Bollocks.<br />Been there, done that and anyone could have won the 1997 election on any ticket Labour put out. The rest is history.<br />So Kendall is pushed as this leading light brimming with 'we told you so ideas'.<br />Still bollocks.<br />So it doesn't surprise me that Jeremy leads the pack with his own new (old) ideas offering complete change.<br />I disagree that labour shifted to the right in 1997, it was more like 1987(?) with a complete 'policy review' which lost out in 1992.<br />There will still be legions of Labour members with heads in hands distraught at the thought of a shift to the left.<br />They may have been right once, but not this time and Jeremy has it to lose.<br />So let's watch a big bag of tricks come out towards the run in.<br />Tories tipping Jeremy is one of them.<br />Being declared insane will be another and of course, being a Chinese/Russian/Libyan/Syrian spy will be another.<br />Let's not forget that every benefit thief in the UK will want Jeremy as leader along with casual ISIS immigrants.<br />Oh yes, I can see it.<br />Sensible Andy and Yvette will be there to pick up the pieces and Lizzie will tell of sound accounts signed off.<br />Vote Jeremy.<br /> Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-26334006054577819162015-07-17T09:00:59.130+01:002015-07-17T09:00:59.130+01:00A fine explanation of the current situation, Labou...A fine explanation of the current situation, Labour needs to be true to its values and then learn how to convince enough voters that these values are the way to create a better society within the context of the world as it is . Running scared from our values in the face of a hostile establishment and their powerful interests by diluting what we stand for worked at a time when the Tories were in crisis but is seen by some as the only way to win . This strategy is flawed in my view and takes you to 1 a place of looking weak and muddled as in the recent election or totally incapable of making any significant change as would be the case if Liz kendall and her supporters were to win the day so what would be the point of that ype of Labour party ? Johnnyfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09489204726265099150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-70357882128434426172015-07-17T07:28:26.005+01:002015-07-17T07:28:26.005+01:00He's probably the most "intersectional&qu...He's probably the most "intersectional" candidate but you'll have to forgive me for not liking him.<br /><br />http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/07/hezbollah-s-man-in-london-the-improbable-rise-of-wild-eyed-jeremy-corbyn.html<br /><br />I think he is bad news for the whole nation. And it really shows, doesn't it, the stupidity and blindness of the Toby Youngs and other Tories that, rightly perceiving Corbyn as unelectable, they endorse him for leader to knock Labour out. How can anyone do such harm so frivolously? I oppose all Corbyn supporters, left and right.<br /><br />I have made my, presumably unsurprising, decision to vote for Farron in future. He isn't saying or doing anything Mr Gladstone didn't and he has my support from now on.asquithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14246701347539264295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-78188712072346081032015-07-17T00:11:24.522+01:002015-07-17T00:11:24.522+01:00The point about the Miliband-era self-denying ordi...The point about the Miliband-era self-denying ordinance is a good one - not only is it a bad look, not only are people sick of it, it <b>didn't work</b>.<br /><br />But the trouble started a long time before Miliband, I think. Labour's history from 1976 to 1994 was one of quietly backing away from any remaining left-wing commitments on the grounds of realism. Then in comes Mr Tony Blair to reveal that being bold and <b>openly</b> shedding left-wing policies will not only ensure realism, it will make the party popular again. And it did work, in its own way, for a time - although what would have happened in 1997 if Smith had lived is the great unknown.<br /><br />The trouble with New Labour was that it ran out of road: there's only so far to the Right you can go before you effectively cease to be Labour altogether. Enter the Eds, who tried to pull off an excruciatingly clever manoeuvre of appearing to tack Right (for presentational credibility) while actually edging Left (to stay 'Labour' and to respond to the people who actually want more left-wing policies - which, in some policy areas, means most people).<br /><br />And this is the sense in which Burnham and Cooper are the continuity candidates; I see no sign that they've learnt that "face Right, sidle Left" isn't going to work. I'd vote for Cooper in a straight fight with Kendall, but what a depressing choice that would be. Corbyn's candidacy has been a massive breath of fresh air.<br /><br />It's interesting how little they've thrown at him; the "our friends from Hezbollah" line is pretty feeble stuff. But perhaps it's not surprising; by pre-Blair standards his policies are remarkably moderate. He's coming in under the radar by espousing Old Labour policies, Keynesian economics and common sense - the cunning is fiendish.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07009879034507926661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-3343158682593154862015-07-16T21:32:42.162+01:002015-07-16T21:32:42.162+01:00He's telling the membership what they want to ...He's telling the membership what they want to hear speaking to someone in my CLP she said she was voting for Corbyn because he's true to our values. When I asked her how Corbyn would win over voters she said it didn't matter as he would be true to our values.Jonathannoreply@blogger.com