tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post4234199495329974933..comments2024-03-27T09:14:27.496+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: Cometh the Hour, Cometh the JezPhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-59148585791110410542015-09-20T21:25:31.762+01:002015-09-20T21:25:31.762+01:00@ anonymous
"They have to go, either they w...@ anonymous<br /><br /><br />"They have to go, either they will have to go or Corbyn will have to go."<br /><br />Corbyn was the token leftist, now he is the leader. The party has changed, we now need token rightists. But you simply can't have the entire PLP at odds with the leader.<br /><br />IT CANNOT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"<br /><br />It's fair to say that you feel quite passionate about this, Mr Anonymous.... To say that every MP that doesn't support Corbyn 'has to go' is a frankly wild suggestion that gains nothing and has no bearing in reality. Incredible stuff.<br /><br />"And as a social scientists you should should know better than to call yourself centre left. You are nothing of the kind."<br /><br />Okay, if you say so.<br /><br />"As I said, there are plenty of poliical parties where you can more than indulge your 'centre lefistism'"<br /><br />Really? I can't think of any. I think I'll stay in my party, thank you.<br /><br />"Meanwhile, millions in this country now have a genuine choice."<br /><br />That's your view. Mine is that electing Corbyn brings the exact opposite: the electorate now have no choice at all, as a defacto Tory monopoly on electoral success is now in place, owing to the extremist direction that my party is now headed. I think this is a bad thing.<br /><br />"Stick that up your scientific ass."<br /><br />Thank you for your kind words, Mr Anonymous. <br /><br />"PS That flashmob as you arrogantly and disdainfully call them are committed to social change, to alleviate the mass suffering caused by the Tories and the centre left."<br /><br />'Flashmob' is a pejorative term and does give readers of a more volatile and emotionally charged disposition the ammunition that they need to rant. It was a poor choice of words (Machiavellian, even) and one I shall refrain from using in future. Concerning social change, well, there's no way that you're going to appreciate this but I am going to quote a Mr Antony Blair: "Power without principle is barren, but principle without power is futile." <br /><br /><br />"Good riddance!"<br /><br />It's been lovely interacting with you, Mr Anonymous. Thank you for your insights. This 'New Politics' is indeed a wonderful thing and I look forward to further embracing this respectful and courteous dialogue. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-83457887351921390262015-09-14T11:40:17.717+01:002015-09-14T11:40:17.717+01:00Great news that an even greater friend of Stoke Ce...Great news that an even greater friend of Stoke Central Labour Party, John Mcdonnel has been made shadow chancellor.<br />I can hear the printing presses as I type ££££££££.<br />John had an open invite to visit his would-be Jeremy supporters club and did so just before everyone was suspended!<br /><br />It's shameful that no CLP in Stoke-on-Trent backed Jeremy and is highly embarrassing.<br /><br />Gary Elsbynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-9206514343327294012015-09-14T09:02:08.807+01:002015-09-14T09:02:08.807+01:00"Firstly, what would people have MPs that don... "Firstly, what would people have MPs that don't agree with Corbyn do?"<br /><br />They have to go, either they will have to go or Corbyn will have to go. You cannot have a party that stands for one thing and a bunch of MP's who stand for the opposite. It cannot and will not work! The MP's will spend more time trying to justify how they can be in a party that proposes policies they don't agree with than actually than campaigning! In fact they won't campaign they will undermine.<br /><br />Corbyn was the token leftist, now he is the leader. The party has changed, we now need token rightists. But you simply can't have the entire PLP at odds with the leader.<br /><br />IT CANNOT WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br />And as a social scientists you should should know better than to call yourself centre left. You are nothing of the kind.<br /><br />As I said, there are plenty of poliical parties where you can more than indulge your 'centre lefistism'<br /><br />Meanwhile, millions in this country now have a genuine choice.<br /><br />Stick that up your scientific ass.<br /><br />PS That flashmob as you arrogantly and disdainfully call them are committed to social change, to alleviate the mass suffering caused by the Tories and the centre left.<br /><br />"the best thing that myself and others of the centre left can do is study this car crash from a safe distance"<br /><br />Good riddance!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-67960720879017992942015-09-13T20:24:08.290+01:002015-09-13T20:24:08.290+01:00@ ahairoftruth
Hundreds of thousands of people ce...@ ahairoftruth<br /><br />Hundreds of thousands of people certainly form a large 'flashmob'. Your contempt for the membership and supporters does speak volumes, as does the desire of memebers of the Labour establishment to 'rebuild' the party by performing the 'hard work' of writing anti-Corbyn articles in the right-wing press.<br /><br />Given that 60% of voters in the leadership election backed Corbyn, but a small proportion of Labour's professional politicians did, then clearly there are some practical institutional difficulties. But, lets be honest, to resign immediately after an opponent wins an internal election does tend to suggest throwing toys out of the pram, and reveals an obvious desire not to cooperate with the Corbyn 'regime' in the hope that they can benefit later from destabilising the party. Given that this ploy is so blatant, it is inevitable that some of Corbyn's supporters will be frustrated. Igor Belanovnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-49684611438077936592015-09-13T19:44:31.589+01:002015-09-13T19:44:31.589+01:00An interesting read, Phil. Thanks you for sharing ...An interesting read, Phil. Thanks you for sharing your thoughts.<br /><br />For me, one of the highlights of the past few weeks has been watching Corbyn's supporters talk about building a 'new politics'. At the same time, many of these same people deride anyone that didn't vote Corbyn as apparently being a Tory, hence some of the vitriol that has been thrown at Liz Kendall in particular. This is one of the kinder comments: <br /><br />https://twitter.com/DrKatyShaw/status/642687717634146304 <br /><br />I am bemused by this mentality. Firstly, what would people have MPs that don't agree with Corbyn do? Surely the best, most honest and upfront thing to do is go to the backbenches, rather than lie about supporting Corbyn's policies? A big part of Corbyn's rise seems to be linked to a public perception of lying politicians that are all the same, yet when Labour MPs are upfront people accuse of them being Tories or throwing their toys out of the pram. This doesn't seem at all like a new politics to me; it seems very much an old type of politics that seeks to make Machiavellian gain from promoting division; it is the politics of anger.<br /><br />From many of Corbyn's supporters, there seems to be the idea that the legitimacy of the Labour MPs that were elected in the 2015 General Election is now destroyed, following Corbyn's victory and that these MPs should now either totally change their views or be purged for Labour altogether. This is truly a bizarre notion and there isn't enough space to write about it. <br /><br />Whilst it is incredibly sad to see my party engaged in this utter madness, having allowed itself to be ripped apart by a flashmob that will soon get bored and leave, just like the 'I Agree With Nick' lot, as a social scientist this is an extremely interesting time. Subsequently, the best thing that myself and others of the centre left can do is study this car crash from a safe distance as it unfolds and develop ideas for a strategy that will rebuild and bring voters back after we've been massacred. It will likely take a generation to rebuild after this, so the hard work really does start now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-18593406714735228622015-09-13T11:45:46.168+01:002015-09-13T11:45:46.168+01:00Also, what's with Yvette? Surprised and disapp...Also, what's with Yvette? Surprised and disappointed to see her taking so sectarian an attitude; hopefully she'll reconsider.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07009879034507926661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-33170177328916138052015-09-13T11:45:13.945+01:002015-09-13T11:45:13.945+01:00Surprised to see that from Trevor - particularly g...Surprised to see that from Trevor - particularly given that Chartist came out for Corbyn. Handy for me, though - I'd been trying to remember the name of the Labour Co-ordinating Committee for ages...Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07009879034507926661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-30223012254175648772015-09-13T11:43:21.646+01:002015-09-13T11:43:21.646+01:00"This is a big chance for socialists, trade u..."This is a big chance for socialists, trade unionists and even just mildly social democratic people"<br /><br />No thanks to you Chris, or you Phil. If it were up to you the socialists, trade unionists and even just mildly social democratic people would be consigned to the margins indefinitely.<br /><br />There surely has to be a huge cull now in the Labour party, how can you have a leader and a party membership totally at odds with the MP's of that party? How can they possibly deliver the message? We have already seen on the corporate media how every Blairite has been trotted out to warn of the impending doom if Corbyn wins.<br /><br />I really can't see any reason why these people don't leave Labour. After all there is a multitude of choice for anyone who wants a party that supports Israel, thinks the Palestinians are terrorists, supports NATO, thinks economic sense equates to cutting public services while dropping bombs and investing in a missile system that one one will ever use! And there are a whole host of political parties that are fully signed up to neo liberal policies, the sort of policies that wont lead to ruin but will lead to a rise in the number of people relying on food banks, a rise in the number of people living a precarious existence (due to labour market flexibility etc), a massive cut in public services and inequality levels where the richest 1% own more than half the population. And where investment is low, productivity is weak and where low value labour is the vogue.<br /><br />Shop around guys.<br /><br />But for the rest of us we have at last, well to use a good old neo liberal word, CHOICE!<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-40563705440083261642015-09-13T10:05:08.436+01:002015-09-13T10:05:08.436+01:00I'll admit I was worried about what the MPs an...I'll admit I was worried about what the MPs and the media would do. Yvette Cooper seemed like a safer bet and at least she was better than the other two. But now Jeremy's won, am I glad to have him as leader? Yes.<br /><br />This is a big chance for socialists, trade unionists and even just mildly social democratic people (for this will be a social democratic leadership) and I think we have to embrace it. It's a big chance for Britain too. I'll be donating to the party today, obviously not all of us can afford to do that, but we can all find some way to help.Chrisnoreply@blogger.com