tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post4198026353205134919..comments2024-03-27T09:14:27.496+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: AdiosPhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-18173075394161174632019-04-04T19:05:45.104+01:002019-04-04T19:05:45.104+01:00Oh I forgot one of the key tenets of White Western...Oh I forgot one of the key tenets of White Western values,<br /><br />Blacks can't farmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-48141954554672704072019-04-03T19:23:46.407+01:002019-04-03T19:23:46.407+01:00And even if she is everything you say, is the resp...And even if she is everything you say, is the response proportionate?Johny Conspiranoid.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-25636895061606417292019-04-03T18:47:07.800+01:002019-04-03T18:47:07.800+01:00Let me respond to Boffy:
“were the SWP right some...Let me respond to Boffy:<br /><br />“were the SWP right some years ago to attack Searchlight, and others anti-fascists, who said that it was necessary to also address the issue of grooming of young girls by mainly gangs of Pakistani men”<br /><br />On balance they were right for 2 main reasons,<br /><br />1. we literally never get calls for white society to be addressed despite their centuries long abuses on both the personal and individual level<br /><br />2. As some academic studies have shown, and which Boffy is totally ignorant of, the fact of them being Pakistani is probably less of a factor than they are either taxi Drivers or work in fast food outlets. The importance of this? Well this is when the girls were out and about, because mainly these girls lived not during the day but at night, for a variety of reasons (mainly because white society had utterly failed them!). So these men had the opportunity, and it was more to do with their occupation than their skin colour or ethnic background. Other than racist white society insisting dark skinned people do these type of jobs!<br /><br />It really never ceases to amaze how Boffy pontificates on every subject, even the ones he knows nothing about! <br /><br />I do think all values are open to criticism, for example Islam, Judaism, Christianity and we shouldn’t let witch hunts get in the way, though I can’t recall the witch hunts against Islamophobes to be honest.<br /><br />But I won’t let the canard of anti Semitism stop me from criticising the white supremacists of Israel treating Palestinians like ducks in a shooting gallery. Let us call it high tech genital mutilation shall we!<br /><br />If Boffy can indulge in some Muslim bashing, allow me indulge in some white bashing.<br /><br />What are white Western values?<br /><br />White people dominate the world and this proves white people are superior<br /><br />Consume with no regard to the affect of your consumption<br /><br />Plundering the resources of what we consider backward peoples is solid economics<br /><br />Never include in your economic statistics the wages of the people who actually produce all the goods<br /><br />Making great swathes of the planet uninhabitable for people is ok if it means I can watch TV in every room<br /><br />When making great swathes of the planet uninhabitable make sure these victims do not get to our shores, heaven forbid they share in the resources we plunder and pollute our higher values<br /><br />I wish I was a £ behind Sir Philip Green<br /><br />Things are more precious than poor people<br /><br />Poor people deserve what they get<br /><br />Bomb first and ask questions later<br /><br />We take great pride in our bombs, our bombs again prove we are superior<br /><br />Genital mutilation is a sign of backward people, while Carpet bombing is a sign of civilised and well educated people<br /><br />Therefore genital mutilation is bad and carpet bombing is good<br /><br />Dark skinned people are fit for sleeping in the streets and washing cars but not much else<br /><br />If children are homeless and addicted to drugs this is ok but they better not have sex<br /><br />Morally a MacDonald’s is better than a woodland<br /><br />Critique thoroughly all values except your own<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-68914807184599704612019-03-31T20:17:11.006+01:002019-03-31T20:17:11.006+01:00Whoever posted this "The "Labour should ...Whoever posted this "The "Labour should be 20% ahead" trope is deeply profoundly dishonest, and is strongly suggestive of the claimant being an insincere bulls***er." needs to explain what they are on about. Opposition parties that are not well ahead in the polls mid-term rarely win subsequent general elections. So it seems unlikely that Labour will win the next GE unless there are major shifts in support. I wish that were not so. As the late ungreat ghastly Hughie Green would have said "And I mean that most sincerely folks". <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-41403003218250190242019-03-31T14:27:56.778+01:002019-03-31T14:27:56.778+01:00So, I'm curious then Phil. Perhaps using the ...So, I'm curious then Phil. Perhaps using the logic you have applied here, you could answer these questions.<br /><br />1. Were the Stalinists then right to attack Trotsky and the Left Opposition for pointing out the unfolding counter-revolution that was happening in Russia, because such criticism was "self-indulgent", at a time when Russia was under threat from imperialist powers?<br /><br />2. Given the extent of widespread Islamophobia in society, were the SWP right some years ago to attack Searchlight, and others anti-fascists, who said that it was necessary to also address the issue of grooming of young girls by mainly gangs of Pakistani men in some Northern towns and cities? Was concern for the rights of young women simply self-indulgent, at a time when it was necessary to oppose Islamophobia?<br /><br />3. When the SWP/Respect went along with requirements for men and women to be separated at various meetings, were they right to do so, because defending women's rights was self-indulgent, at a time when their main concern was to oppose Islamophobia?<br /><br />4. Indeed, is it self-indulgent to raise the question of women's rights in general, as being something that has to be defended, as against the mysoginist nature of Islam, and indeed other religions, and cultures, in order to prioritise the fight against xenophobia, and in defence of "multiculturalism?<br /><br />5. Is it self-indulgent to oppose for example, female genital mutilation, because it is practiced by particular ethnic groups, and so to do so, would encourage racism as regards those particular groups.<br /><br />I can understand where the roots of your position comes from having previously been a member of the Socialist Party, because the Workerist nature of both the Militant and the SWP has always meant that they were prepared to throw various minorities under the bus, in order to promote their chances with some other minority from whom they hoped at the time to secure support and recruits so as to "build the party". Its why both those organisations in the 1970's abandoned their positions on Ireland, when those positions threatened to hamper their attempts to recruit British workers, who reacted to IRA terrorism.<br /><br />It wasn't a principled position then, and it isn't now. It should indeed be possible to walk and chew gum at thee same time, which means that being against anti-Semitism does not mean throwing other minorities and their oppression under the bus to do so. Its not only possible, but necessary to do both. <br /><br />Boffyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08157650969929097569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-48790898821480126522019-03-30T15:57:55.433+00:002019-03-30T15:57:55.433+00:00"So what was the point of saying it at all??&..."So what was the point of saying it at all??"<br /><br />She said it as part of a long conversation with a friend on Facebook. Again, the media has often portrayed it as if she suddenly announced it out of the blue with fanfare. And it's exactly the sort of thing a black woman, who also has Jewish heritage and ancestors who were in the slave trade, would probably feel the need to talk about once in a while as it's quite understandable that she has a whole mixture of feelings about it.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03710776765139258627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-2952127810108617562019-03-30T11:26:45.702+00:002019-03-30T11:26:45.702+00:00So what was the point of saying it at all??So what was the point of saying it at all??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-25679098475508740002019-03-30T03:57:32.893+00:002019-03-30T03:57:32.893+00:00"Walker is a horrific, rancid anti-Semite.
..."Walker is a horrific, rancid anti-Semite. <br /><br />The evidence for this is incontrovertible and overwhelming. I mean, "Jews were behind the slave trade" FFS!"<br /><br />Except that isn't what she said. Now, in fairness, 1) what you've quoted is what was widely reported that she said, and 2) what she did say was only a few words different, but those few words change the meaning of that sentence completely (the relation of 1 to 2 is of course entirely non-accidental.) What she <i>actually</i> said was "‘many Jews, my ancestors too, were <b>among</b> the chief financiers of the sugar and slave trade" (my bold.) An entirely unremarkable statement, suggesting as it does that some Jews behaved just like everyone else, and entirely historically uncontroversial. Ian Gibsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-91179190362366203392019-03-29T23:31:55.807+00:002019-03-29T23:31:55.807+00:00The "Labour should be 20% ahead" trope i...The "Labour should be 20% ahead" trope is deeply profoundly dishonest, and is strongly suggestive of the claimant being an insincere bulls***er.<br /><br />That is all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-24903805613152414152019-03-29T22:50:36.505+00:002019-03-29T22:50:36.505+00:00I agree with much of what you write, Phil. I have ...I agree with much of what you write, Phil. I have held out a lot of hope for the Corbyn project, and still do. But the self-destructive behaviour of many on the "Left" - something you address well in your points before your coverage of Jackie Walker - is legendary, and isn't going to disappear overnight. For some, it somehow seems much better to see a Far Right-tinged Tory Government than to let go of an opportunity to divide the Left. And there can be no doubt that a majority Tory Government, run by and for the likes of Steve Baker or Mark Francois, is a strong possibility. Labour is behind in the polls, and should be 20% ahead. This could be a final chance, but Labour is, as ever, messing it up.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-6869610100340442472019-03-29T17:50:12.094+00:002019-03-29T17:50:12.094+00:00"...she should get a free pass for childish a..."...she should get a free pass for childish antics and behaviour that makes life significantly more difficult for the project she is supposedly aligned with?"<br /><br />Er, plenty of people have been given such a free pass. In Luciana Berger's case she was rewarded with quasi Princess Diana status, keeping it despite since going a funny tinge.<br /><br />As for Margaret Hodge, her getting away with appalling behaviour is due to nothing more than the fact that she's Jewish yet this is not a luxury afforded to Jackie Walker, I wonder why?<br /><br />"Raising quibbles around the commemoration of Holocaust Memorial Day in the middle of an anti-semitism storm at a meeting specifically addressing anti-semitism in the Labour Party is pretty stupid and self-indulgent."<br /><br />I'm sorry, raising the fact that HMD arbitrarily chooses 1940 as its start date for genocides to be marked, neatly avoiding bringing up Europeans' ravaging of Africa is 'self indulgent'? Black people being unhappy at having to stand idly by while their holocaust is ignored is 'self indulgent'?<br /><br />This is a disciplinary case where a witness statement saying "I'm unhappy at her obsession with the African holocaust" was used AGAINST the black person subjected to it, does that not even bother you?<br /><br />And how many people are likely to be disciplined for the abuse Jackie was subjected to? She was subjected to anti-Black racism (see above witness quote) as well as anti-Semitism, intersecting with the repeated claims that she isn't Jewish due to an underlying belief that Jews aren't black. Nobody will be held to account for this.<br /><br />Your post is further evidence that the Labour Party operates to a hierarchy of racism just as Jackie has claimed and been ridiculed for, one in which black people are expected to both put up and shut up.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03710776765139258627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-55557305301721280332019-03-29T17:32:15.543+00:002019-03-29T17:32:15.543+00:00Which expulsions didn't you approve of?Which expulsions didn't you approve of?Johny Conspiranoid.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-29227878358795494982019-03-29T15:25:48.829+00:002019-03-29T15:25:48.829+00:00I really do enjoy your blog Phil, its one of the f...I really do enjoy your blog Phil, its one of the first things I turn to on the internet, but this piece comes across as tabloid speak and in the way it is presented it distorts the Facts.<br /><br />It is not that you can not have an opinion on Jackie Walker, but to present one that only tells the truth on a most basic level and then to mislead as to the original incedents that saw her suspended is nothing short of MSM tactics.<br /><br />Thought better of you Phil and I suspect you know that you are being disingenuous and that makes it all the worse.<br /><br />Jackie Walkers first crime was to question the ethics of the IHRA definition and that is the route cause of her removal from the party, and I for one agree with her.<br />I joined the Labour party because of Corbyn, I left because of a clearly corrupt machinery in the party and while I will almost certainly vote for Corbyn it will be in the knowledge that the party I am voting for is corrupt in many ways.<br /><br />One more thing She is a Jewish lady so you are casting her as a self hating Jew, Bad form Phil<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-86222647570911835992019-03-29T13:45:36.728+00:002019-03-29T13:45:36.728+00:00This post is bullshit. I have enjoyed reading your...This post is bullshit. I have enjoyed reading your blog, but enough.Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06368580633580971373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-71096447019057585692019-03-29T13:15:40.463+00:002019-03-29T13:15:40.463+00:00A good summary of the problem we face. Political m...A good summary of the problem we face. Political mavericks have to learn that its not all about them.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02269272926588920566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-51844550284271716992019-03-29T13:07:37.032+00:002019-03-29T13:07:37.032+00:00Obviously not, David, because he was sticking up f...Obviously not, David, because he was sticking up for Walker as a victim of racist abuse.<br /><br />Again, walk and chew gum. Walk and chew gum.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-57109228190100684632019-03-29T12:59:23.544+00:002019-03-29T12:59:23.544+00:00Walker is a horrific, rancid anti-Semite.
The ev...Walker is a horrific, rancid anti-Semite. <br /><br />The evidence for this is incontrovertible and overwhelming. I mean, "Jews were behind the slave trade" FFS!<br /><br />(and being "of Jewish heritage" in no way negates the above - anybody who doubts this just needs to look at Gilad Atzmon)<br /><br />Absolutely true that there is a vociferous and influential current of opinion that attempts to cast all criticism of the state of Israel or Zionism as "anti-Semitic". There are also those who have tried to weaponise the AS issue within the Labour party in the most cynical and insincere way. But as our blogger says, it is possible to do more than one thing at the same time. The *genuine* instances of AS on the left need to be called out and dealt with firmly and without sentimentality. And yes, this is one of them. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-14805775829302757672019-03-29T12:27:42.706+00:002019-03-29T12:27:42.706+00:00See they’ve now turned this into an anti John Mcdo...See they’ve now turned this into an anti John Mcdonnell scam. Should he be booted out too for recklessly attending and being sympathetic to Walker at the LRC?davidjchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18432693921346520951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-29811572743632341522019-03-29T12:09:28.012+00:002019-03-29T12:09:28.012+00:00I dunno. Raising quibbles around the commemoration...I dunno. Raising quibbles around the commemoration of Holocaust Memorial Day in the middle of an anti-semitism storm at a meeting specifically addressing anti-semitism in the Labour Party is pretty stupid and self-indulgent. If there is no anti-semitism in the party, like Walker and her LATW comrades claim, then giving credence to charges is hardly the best way of refuting them.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-41334991059862856832019-03-29T11:35:17.030+00:002019-03-29T11:35:17.030+00:00Hardly indulged! She’s been on the rack for nearly...Hardly indulged! She’s been on the rack for nearly three years. <br />Who decides who is guilty of self-indulgence/bringing party into disrepute?<br />The secretive disciplinary panel, which is then influenced by noises off, which in these case has meant our Zionist and Blairite enemies.<br />Or:<br />“Corbynista journalist calls anti Semitic group ‘logical and consistent’.<br />Former hardline Communist Phil BC has reignited the Labour anti semitism scandal by praising his old extreme left comrades, who argue Israel should be wiped off the map.<br />BC, an influential columnist and darling of the left wing ‘alt’ media, acknowledged Labour’s problem with Jews, but his continuing indulgence of his anti Semitic old pals drew stinging rebukes from Labour Friends of Israel.”<br />davidjchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18432693921346520951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-87176207201229225532019-03-29T10:49:12.334+00:002019-03-29T10:49:12.334+00:00Perhaps it reflects my exasperation on the indulge...Perhaps it reflects my exasperation on the indulgence of people like Walker. Remember, she is not unique. They are *plenty* of "comrades" just like her on the left, and I've had a bellyful of them. <br /><br />As for Walker's actual disciplining, it was exactly because she brought the party into disrepute that saw her drummed out. She wasn't particularly influential and virtually no one had heard of her before all this, but once anti-semitism became a hot potato she acted to ramp it up and pour petrol on the flames. She allowed herself to become proof of Labour's anti-semitism problems, and revelled in it. Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-70586304770097688972019-03-29T10:40:32.913+00:002019-03-29T10:40:32.913+00:00I think the tone of this piece is misjudged, as ma...I think the tone of this piece is misjudged, as many people reading it would need exactly the type of 'persuading' that it says far-left people are often bad at. <br />Some proportion of readers will be sympathetic to Jackie Walker's position, and not appreciate the kind of mouthing off that we chuckle at when it's against Tories or TiGs.<br /><br />For what it's worth, I haven't looked into to it too deeply, by I was sympathetic to JW (yet I still thought storming out of her own hearing was counter-productive, her lawyers were there to present her case).<br /><br />Maybe you're absolutely right Phil, maybe she does deserve your scathing putdowns (I haven't got the time to thoroughly fact-check). But perhaps you can you approach it with more care for comrades' feelings next time?<br /><br />If she had come to you and said "Phil, these points I want to make are desperately important to me, but I don't want to damage the Corbyn project, how should I go about it?", what would you say? How would you phrase it in a kind way?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11464135855185678187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-23480121035396604922019-03-29T10:05:19.576+00:002019-03-29T10:05:19.576+00:00Appalling post.Appalling post.Shai Masothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00452453462950704943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-29963692534318620232019-03-29T09:50:24.011+00:002019-03-29T09:50:24.011+00:00I like a trip down Sectarian Memory Lane, and it&#...I like a trip down Sectarian Memory Lane, and it's always good to be reminded of Chris Knight's existence. When it comes to Jackie Walker, though, I'm afraid this post strikes me as written in bad faith, for two reasons. Firstly, I don't see any acknowledgement that Jackie Walker is of Jewish heritage. Accusing a Jewish woman of antisemitism is an absurdity - you can't other yourself (or not without huge psychic strain). It's true that antisemitic tropes are antisemitic tropes whoever voices them; quite a number of people need to be more careful with their language. But "arguing that Jews can also be racists" and "arguing, as a Jew, that Jews can also be racists" are two very different things, and the widely repeated assertion that Walker is guilty of the first of these says nothing good about those repeating it.<br /><br />You could argue that this is beside the point where your post is concerned, as (secondly) you charge Walker not with antisemitism but with indiscipline, not being a good comrade, radical narcissism, fundamentally Not Helping. There's some truth in that, and perhaps a properly-functioning Labour Party would discipline, even expel, people on those grounds. But that's not what Walker was disciplined for; it's telling that even your account of her indisciplined behaviour leans heavily on tendentious and sometimes downright inaccurate accounts of her supposed antisemitism. And if we were expelling people for narcissism and obstructing the project - good grief, where would we start? Not, I suggest, with some activist who nobody outside her local and political neighbourhood had heard of before she tangled with the JLM.<br /><br />Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07009879034507926661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-50035795575606919572019-03-29T08:47:02.337+00:002019-03-29T08:47:02.337+00:00Let me get this right then. Because the Labour Par...Let me get this right then. Because the Labour Party is institutionally racist, because the Israel lobby is a politically powerful force, and because Walker has critiqued both she should get a free pass for childish antics and behaviour that makes life significantly more difficult for the project she is supposedly aligned with? Sorry, no. If an enemy is pointing a gun at you it's the height of stupidity to supply them with ammunition. <br /><br />As for Jess Phillips et al, yes, they do far more damage than the likes of Walker. It's hardly as if I've been quiet about their stupidities these last few years. But you know what, most people can walk and chew gum at the same time. Walker's behaviour is typical of a strand of far left narcissism, and just because right wing Labour MPs regularly scab on the party and the movement doesn't mean a diplomatic silence should be observed over idiots on the left.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.com