tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post1768945201484488513..comments2024-03-27T09:14:27.496+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: G20 Protester DiesPhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-2296253144538488202009-04-11T11:37:00.000+01:002009-04-11T11:37:00.000+01:00Belated thanks for the link...Belated thanks for the link...BenSixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13709072280655034213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-37787751833624413162009-04-06T10:34:00.000+01:002009-04-06T10:34:00.000+01:00Excellent academic paper on these issues here: htt...Excellent academic paper on these issues here: <BR/><BR/>http://www.internetjournalofcriminology.com/Donson%20et%20al%20-%20Folkdevils.pdfBent Societyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16187406508249705295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-91536594005366523162009-04-03T10:11:00.000+01:002009-04-03T10:11:00.000+01:00Yahoo! news also went with the 'good-guy cops assa...Yahoo! news also went with the 'good-guy cops assaulted by evil protesters' slant in their report on someone dying.<BR/><BR/>Something that struck me as strange was that retail outlets like Superdrug and L'Occitane were all boarded up in preparation, yet an obvious target such as RBS was so easily accessible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-79623628531060079232009-04-02T19:56:00.000+01:002009-04-02T19:56:00.000+01:00I have just come back from Bank and there was a st...I have just come back from Bank and there was a stand-off, the cops got up close and violent. Cops on horses, cops with dogs, cops with batons.<BR/>The protest was peaceful. Then all of sudden the cops get aggressive and it kicks off. <BR/><BR/>The TSG were grabbing people, one of them grabbed this woman for no f-ing reason and held his fist back as if to punch her in the face! Then later they baton charged some of the people in the stand-off from what i could see.<BR/><BR/>I am so utterly angry after yesterday and today.harpymarxhttp://harpymarx.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-11273025148193382402009-04-02T17:41:00.000+01:002009-04-02T17:41:00.000+01:00and yet they have done Luis, haven´t they? I mean,...and yet they have done Luis, haven´t they? I mean, let´s imagine your "never turn away good stories" universe exists. There´s more than enough threads to tug at if they want to generate a story out of this. Pick any of them and it sounds dodgy - the throwing of bottles at paramedics story for instance: it just sounds completely implausible, and very similar to other lies that the police have made up in the past (and subsequently been exposed on). Why not pick at that thread? Or the tactic of kettling? Even if it´s a natural death and this bloke had a heart attack, surely any honest journalist would at least examine the tactic that put him in such a situation? <BR/><BR/>So either the papers know more than us, and there´s perfectly innocent explanations for both of these things (in which case they should report as such) or they´re deliberately downplaying the story. <BR/><BR/>And it take nothing so conspiratorial as being in hock to the military industrial complex. It just takes the presumption (common among journos) that the police tell the truth all the time, strong working relationships between London journos and top cops and the recommendation that over-reporting of the incidence would be a public order risk. The point about press bias is that it´s systemic, not that it´s controlled by a sinister cabal of masons or whatever.JS.Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08402019478997760884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-31926923673912266042009-04-02T16:19:00.000+01:002009-04-02T16:19:00.000+01:00I generally agree that the police tend to abuse th...I generally agree that the police tend to abuse their powers and relative anonymity in a crowd situation but I think it would be fair to say that of course the police were expecting trouble at this event; given the comments of some of the organisers but moreover the consistent pattern of violence that a core of these protesters bring to every such summit it would be remiss of the police not to prepare for it. <BR/><BR/>Also the casual brutality of the police at demonstrations is very selective: Muslim protesteters never see it. In fact all they ever see a completely pacified service that bends over backwards to accommodate them and fawn over them. <BR/><BR/>Not too long back, we have seen the police stopping up traffic for Muslim protesters holding up such placards as "Behead those who insult Islam" - "Butcher those who mock Islam" - "Freedom go to hell" - "Europe you will pay, your're externation is on the way" and with quite amazing peversity, we witnessed the police threating and arresting the aggrieved motorists who decided that not only did they not want to be held up for such a grossly treasonous spectacle, but, funnily enough, they took extreme umbrage with the placards and aims of the Muslim protesters.<BR/><BR/>Then shortly after we saw the police in full, intolerant fascist mode cracking the heads of peaceful white middle class 'Countryside Alliance.'<BR/><BR/>And even more recently we saw another disgusting and treasonous attack by so-called 'British' Muslims on the people and institutions of this country, this time ambushing troops returning from a TOD in Iraq using such placards as 'Anglian Soldiers: cowards, killers, extremists' - 'Anglian Soldiers: Butchers of Basra' and not only did the police not find any of this at least likely to constitute a public order offence, they formed a nice protective cordon around these 'protesters' and even obligingly arrested two Englishman who dared to counter these protesters, whilst leaving the display of hatred tightly shielded and free from any such legal inconveniences. (The protest organiser is a baggage handler at Luton airport and that sensitive position be severely reviewed if not outright removed in any sane country given his views and the current terrorist climate. Not here though.)<BR/><BR/>And again, shortly after we have the situation at the G20 summit.<BR/><BR/>One police policy for some, another police policy for everyone else.The Sentinelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18407669804421969164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-85805567491724751992009-04-02T15:38:00.000+01:002009-04-02T15:38:00.000+01:00I imagine the media response to the death of a pol...I imagine the media response to the death of a policeman would depend on how the policeman was thought to have died. Of course I cannot say with any confidence that this man did not die, indirectly or otherwise, at the hands of the police, but I would have thought that a story like that would sell papers and the BBC, Groan, Indie etc. would be all over the story if it looked like the police had killed him. I don't know why you think this view is more "credulous" than believing newspapers turn away perfectly good stories because they are in hock to the military industrial hegemon.Luis Enriquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09373244720653497312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-50593801604695006152009-04-02T15:13:00.000+01:002009-04-02T15:13:00.000+01:00better conspirational than utterly credulous. Any ...better conspirational than utterly credulous. Any taking this shit at face value after a little digging actively wants to.JS.Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08402019478997760884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-39654982145839890512009-04-02T14:55:00.000+01:002009-04-02T14:55:00.000+01:00Do you think the BBC would be handling the death o...Do you think the BBC would be handling the death of a copper in this way, Anon?Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-36635079881651769762009-04-02T14:42:00.000+01:002009-04-02T14:42:00.000+01:00Good job you're not of a conspiratorial mind thenGood job you're not of a conspiratorial mind thenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-18765133580750063262009-04-02T12:49:00.000+01:002009-04-02T12:49:00.000+01:00It would be absolutely hysterical. The papers have...It would be absolutely hysterical. The papers have just gone with the line of ´this is no big deal people die of natural causes all the time´, and the police threw in the bottle slur just for good measure. A couple of the right-wing papers were actually reporting the story, Hillsborough style, as "anarchist thugs bottle police paramedics trying to save dying man". <BR/><BR/>I just have to ask, how "natural" can any death under those circumstances? I mean it´s so obviously a situation that´s hazardous to health. Nothing natural about being crushed into a small box by dozens of large, baton-wielding, armored riot police.JS.Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08402019478997760884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-63134121458414184822009-04-02T12:36:00.000+01:002009-04-02T12:36:00.000+01:00That'll be the reason I missed it then, Jack. Not ...That'll be the reason I missed it then, Jack. Not so much a black out as a white out - burying it with other news. Imagine the headlines if one of the thugs in uniform had bought it.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-69276023518241641492009-04-02T12:29:00.000+01:002009-04-02T12:29:00.000+01:00I missed it when I went looking, not because it ha...I missed it when I went looking, not because it hasn´t made the news, but because the reporting is so bland, you´d almost think someone had died taking a walk in the park or crossing the road, rather than crushed into a police cordon. For instance it´s not anywhere near the BBC´s top stories.JS.Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08402019478997760884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-90498865737685821102009-04-02T12:02:00.000+01:002009-04-02T12:02:00.000+01:00But it *is* being reported by BBC, Sky etc...But it *is* being reported by BBC, Sky etc...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com