tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post1493780273988053492..comments2024-03-29T09:14:53.583+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: Ten Points on Trump's Attempted CoupPhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-87067451289186198612021-01-11T01:16:07.595+00:002021-01-11T01:16:07.595+00:00To illustrate the difference between "freedom...To illustrate the difference between "freedom fighters" and "coup conspirators", have a look at the "peaceful demonstration" in the Hong Kong Legistlative Council building in July 2019, from unimpeachably liberal sources, a couple of videos:<br /><br />https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2019/07/01/hong-kong-protesters-legislative-council-matt-rivers-vpx.cnn<br />https://www.bbc.com/news/av/stories-49157807<br /><br />“On 1 July 2019, hundreds of protesters stormed Hong Kong's Legislative Council, (Legco), spraying graffiti and defacing symbols of the Hong Kong law-making body. The ransacking of the government building marked a turning point in a protest movement against a now suspended extradition law.”Blissexnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-48345024621247093182021-01-09T20:12:27.875+00:002021-01-09T20:12:27.875+00:00I'd add to this that Dems actually did have an...I'd add to this that Dems actually did have an election stolen from them, in 2000, and did not become terrorists as a result, but as we've now seen went too far in the direction of working with the right-wing government.<br /><br />You can see how the people out of office, who actually won the election, behaved in 2000 and compare it with how the losers behaved in 2020!<br /><br />Trump's refusal to attend Biden's inauguration, and stabbing his supporters in the back to save his own skin, showd what a graceless and undignified man he truly is.<br /><br />Yet the swamp is not drained, Biden will probably be a disappointment, and the forces behind Trump are waiting to do what they've been striving since 2008 to do! Biden/Harris must go all out to transform America for the better so that the diehard cultists will be cut off from the mainstream and can never even pretend to be competitive in another vote.asquith (stopped using google)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-73111934787903549792021-01-09T17:10:09.500+00:002021-01-09T17:10:09.500+00:00Before we begin, I am delighted that Trump lost, h...Before we begin, I am delighted that Trump lost, have no joy whatsoever at who won and think hardly anything will change as a result of Biden’s victory.<br /><br />“There is a mass basis for this politics, and it has been cultivated for a long time.”<br /><br />Probably from around the time when the ‘native Americans’ were being exterminated to make way for ‘progress’ and when African people were transported to support the cotton trade.<br /><br />The comparisons between Hitler and Trump are just typical lazy liberalism. For one thing Hitler was a lowly decorated soldier whose experiences of fighting in the first world war and the iniquities of the Treaty of Versailles and the subsequent impact of that treaty created an embittered and militaristic monster.<br /><br />Trump on the other hand was a silver spoon fed billionaire brat who enjoyed a high profile business and tv career, and if anything was slightly less prone to militarism than the previous presidents (which isn’t saying much admittedly). So there is next to no chance that Trump would have carried out the military adventurism of Hitler or resorted to the final solution for Muslims.<br /><br />I think the wall and tax cuts were the extent of the project.<br /><br />“The Congress debacle was not a coup, but it was an episode in and the culmination of an attempted coup by Trump and his allies.”<br /><br />This is so just so much liberal blather and poppycock. Coups happen because the military move over to the side of the coup, coups are won at the barrel of the gun and the tank, they do not happen by extra legislative means. You cannot win a coup via legal challenges and a few crazed rednecks. My view is that Trump is simply paying back the democrats for the unprecedented level of blather and hostility they meted out to him. I personally don’t blame him for this, they made his term almost ungovernable, and why should he not do the same to them? It is just another in the long line of elections where the loser simply cannot accept the result, for example remember the attempt at a coup in Belarus, in fact events in the US are probably closer to Belarus than they are to the Beer Hall putsch?<br /><br />The other point to make is how unpopular Trump is among the Republican establishment; they see him as a dangerous outsider. And they don’t hate him because he is so right wing, if anything the republicans that oppose him are even more crazily right wing than Trump, certainly on things like Trade Union rights and international relations.<br /><br />“And the conditions for Trumpism have not gone away.”<br /><br />The conditions being the very fabric of the USA, as you say Trump won a majority among white voters and I doubt that dynamic will change anytime soon, especially given who is now ruling the gangster mob state that is the US.<br /><br />“It is worth remembering there is nothing inevitable about the rise of the right”<br /><br />If that is the case then it is one mighty coincidence that in every major capitalist system without exception a sizeable right wing has not only risen but more or less held continuous power! The rise of the right, and the ‘far right’, is an inevitable outcome of a capitalist based system, where you stand and fall in the market place, be it the world or local market. By supporting centrism you are simply facilitating the next period of rightist rule, and even then what is centrism but rightism with gay marriage (to paraphrase blissex).<br /><br />Nothing less than the eradication of exchange itself can get rid of the right, anything less is hot air.<br />BCFGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-55723554832635938262021-01-09T08:59:34.522+00:002021-01-09T08:59:34.522+00:00You astutely remark the right could be split betwe...You astutely remark the right could be split between moderates and extremists and barred from power, yet consistently fail to recognise the effect in your own back yard, or haven't the Tories been in power for the past ten years?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-84936026502126760602021-01-08T20:56:37.988+00:002021-01-08T20:56:37.988+00:00To think Biden or Democrats can or will alleviate ...To think Biden or Democrats can or will alleviate our situation is blind. No "Green New Deal" or any other state intervention can help since, in our world, profits must still be made. But if profits could really be made there would be no need for state intervention. Capitalism cannot be made useful to societal well-being; it must be surpassed. But, alas, we cling to the things that kill us.Brucehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02593856494794212834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-20374310562930518642021-01-08T17:56:04.902+00:002021-01-08T17:56:04.902+00:00Would be wonderful if Trump's legacy was to sp...Would be wonderful if Trump's legacy was to split the Republican party and keep the right out of power for a generation. I fear it's too much to hope for.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18097624792336619525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-27408809154211994472021-01-08T15:19:24.725+00:002021-01-08T15:19:24.725+00:00«the forces of the left, even the forces of libera...«<i>the forces of the left, even the forces of liberalism</i>»<br /><br />The “<i>forces of liberalism</i>” regard the left as enemies and the conservatives as fellow rightists, still part of the same class.<br /><br />It seems to me that the “<i>forces of liberalism</i>” in their "centrist"/neocon evolution have been doing a definite turn towards an authoritarianism as vicious as that of the conservatives. See for example Tony Blair, ASBOs, detention without trial, wars of aggression, anti trade-unionism, support for "political correctness", etc. etc.; mistaking liberalism for an ally of the left against the scarecrow of trumpism seems to me a grave mistake.Blissexnoreply@blogger.com