tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post1108330881542128874..comments2024-03-27T09:14:27.496+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: I'm Not Racist, But ...Philhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-77718232415506337862010-05-05T03:18:14.373+01:002010-05-05T03:18:14.373+01:00As I'm reading this blog post, there's a c...As I'm reading this blog post, there's a commercial on TV saying "come to X university where you can talk about religion and your personal views will be respected". Political correctness aside, the discourse that this ad adopts is not dissimilar from what this post discussed: if all opinions are to be respected, this includes the bigot and racist opinions as well. Maybe that's a reason why the PM had to apologize.thinkingdifferencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04793349270097291638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-1955291394200866632010-05-04T23:14:49.412+01:002010-05-04T23:14:49.412+01:00Not even a carrot?Not even a carrot?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-72168116327828596072010-04-29T23:10:25.958+01:002010-04-29T23:10:25.958+01:00Don't feed the trolls, comrades.Don't feed the trolls, comrades.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-43794005246077328872010-04-29T21:25:59.294+01:002010-04-29T21:25:59.294+01:00It's worse than the failure of the Labour Part...It's worse than the failure of the Labour Party to advocate for immigrants. They have abandoned the field to the LibDems, who at least try to do it, in the face of Brown's pandering to people like Duffy (while calling them bigots out of earshot) thus opening a pathway for some disaffected leftists to vote for a party with a free market economic policy.<br /><br />But, over here, we have own problem in Arizona, with a President that won't do anything about it, either.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09164564889343805575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-29483216297013915362010-04-29T21:17:45.513+01:002010-04-29T21:17:45.513+01:00What a bunch of wet liberals you are. GB showed a ...What a bunch of wet liberals you are. GB showed a Stalinistic attitude to working people, represented by Gillian: how dare one of these grubby people challenge me?<br />He should have been eager to convince her by way of his socialist argument. But there's the problem. He has none, because he isn't one, so called her names. <br />A now you've got a Very Public Berk deffending him. Sad.Bishpeepsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-24156055005194012012010-04-29T17:09:51.035+01:002010-04-29T17:09:51.035+01:00Ah, I see politcally correct weasel label number 3...Ah, I see politcally correct weasel label number 3. is back, I thought "rascist" (P.C word number 1. followed by "climate change-denier") was the left-wing intimidation pejorative of choice but apparently "bigot" (previously only applied to the last vestiges of British Christian society who refuse to salute homosexuals in the street or some such "progressive" modernist tripe)is back. Heaven forfend a life-long Labour voter should not want to kneel before the altar of internationalism and swallow every last drop of psudo-communist guff about immigration having no negativ effects that dogs in the street and retards with no grasp of simple logic know to be bollocks.A. Torynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-24218984271955964362010-04-29T15:31:04.898+01:002010-04-29T15:31:04.898+01:00I don't think this woman was a bigot and we ne...I don't think this woman was a bigot and we need to be careful about throwing that term around.<br /><br />Is everyone who voices a concern about immigration bigoted? If so, that's a pretty big slice of the country - including a lot of people socialists hope to represent.<br /><br />Not to say they are right. They aren't. But our goal then is to change minds towards a socialist conception of society. Brown can't do that, so he rhymed off an answer and was then peeved about having to address such concerns.<br /><br />My answer to that is "fucking tough".<br /><br />Calling people bigots also ignores the structural element to politics. Is it their failure to grasp intricate realities instead of falling in line with consensus or is it our failure to present an alternative? We should a bit of mote casting before basically saying, "Brown was right".<br /><br />Anyway, it's had enough discussion time from my end.Dave Semplehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11876639425450919663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-11654370716954749442010-04-29T13:53:35.257+01:002010-04-29T13:53:35.257+01:00Arthur, you're dead right.
The real scandal i...Arthur, you're dead right.<br /><br />The real scandal in all this is not what Brown said in the supposed privacy of his motor, but the cynical way the Murdoch media broadcasted these off the cuff, off the record remarks.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-61561982608251167222010-04-29T13:51:11.292+01:002010-04-29T13:51:11.292+01:00I don't see what this has got to do with the a...I don't see what this has got to do with the above article, Mick. But just so you know I am not Tristram's unpaid spin doctor. He has his politics and I have mine.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-87790085976713844532010-04-29T13:43:51.060+01:002010-04-29T13:43:51.060+01:00...In refusing to do this, Gordon Brown took the c...<i>...In refusing to do this, Gordon Brown took the coward’s way out.</i><br /><br />I thought that was exactly what he did do. In person his response was measured and dealt with her question about immigration.<br /><br />It was only afterwards in private when he said what he really thought of her.Jackson Jeffrey Jacksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03325278801162478418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-53683573815643727292010-04-29T13:28:03.064+01:002010-04-29T13:28:03.064+01:00Congratulations Phil on negotiating the first part...Congratulations Phil on negotiating the first part of the learning curve that is necessary on becoming a Labour Party member.<br /><br />This leads on through a 'brain-wash' phase to a terminal 'brain-dead' conclusion.<br /><br />And, commendable as your work 'on the stump' may be for Tristram, you should never forget just who he is, what his privileged background will inevitably mean and just who's person he is.<br /><br />Who was it who said "The New Labour project will be complete when the Party learns to love Peter Mandelson" ? <br /><br />I am irresistably reminded of the closing lines from Orwell's 1984:<br />"Forty years it had taken him to learn just what kind of smile was hidden beneath that dark moustache. But it was all right, the struggle was finished, he had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."<br /><br />Mick Williams.Mick Williamshttp://redmik@poptel.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-31015119516859833302010-04-29T12:39:38.880+01:002010-04-29T12:39:38.880+01:00I agree with much of the sentiment here as I wrote...I agree with much of the sentiment here as I wrote yesterday on my blogs, <a rel="nofollow">Chickens Come Home To Roost</a>, and <a href="http://boffyblog.blogspot.com/2010/04/chickens-come-home-to-roost.html" rel="nofollow">Media Hypocrisy</a>.<br /><br />The reality is that the LP as a BOURGEOIS Workers Party cannot argue a consistent case for immigration, because to do so requires explaining that the real cause of unemployment is not women taking men's jobs, old people taking young people's jobs, disabled people taking able bodied people's jobs, or foreigners taking British jobs, but is the fault of an irrational Capiatlist economic system, in which the decisions are the prerogative of a tiny number of Capitalists, who base those decisions on their own self-interest, and not the prerogative of the majority of society who would otherwise take the rational decision to simply share out the work amongst the available worekrs so thaat we could all benefit from working less hard, less long!<br /><br />I have outlined those arguments in more detail in my blog <a href="http://boffyblog.blogspot.com/2010/04/bigotry-immigration-unemployment.html" rel="nofollow">Bigotry, immigration & Unemployment</a>. We can't blame the LP, or even the LP leaders for that because they like most of society including the vast majority of the working class, are dominated by bourgeois ideas - that's what makes it a bouregois workers party after all - and it is no point demnding that Gordon Brown, the LP or the working class simply doesn't hold those views. It is our job, as Marxists, instead, to change those views.Boffyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08157650969929097569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-20028326588699719402010-04-29T12:34:56.088+01:002010-04-29T12:34:56.088+01:00Agree.
Although Brown's words were harsh the ...Agree.<br /><br />Although Brown's words were harsh the women is a bigot, why is calling her so a problem?Daniel Hoffmann-Gillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02531802987223516482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-56381730722285678962010-04-29T12:28:11.222+01:002010-04-29T12:28:11.222+01:00I get the feeling certain elements within Middle E...I get the feeling certain elements within Middle England will be happy to see the hypocrite Brown slagging off the 'bigoted prole monster' that he helped create.<br /><br />So despite the fact that he looked shambolic, spineless and laughable by yesterdays events, I don't yet know how this will play out in the polls.SamGnoreply@blogger.com