tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post1007703145208121001..comments2024-03-29T09:14:53.583+00:00Comments on All That Is Solid ...: Politics after the New Brexit DealPhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-59248993581851060362019-10-19T09:35:08.657+01:002019-10-19T09:35:08.657+01:00Once again folks, the Soviet Union, as Boffy claim...Once again folks, the Soviet Union, as Boffy claims, was never ever socialism in one country and Stalin was the leader of a collective economic block. Boffy only shows his own idiocy in believing the Soviet Union was socialism in one country. The Soviet leadership only put this theory forward precisely because they were trying to foster unity across many nations, they were trying to foster the idea of the Soviet Union being a collective single block, in fact their Socialism in One Country was in actuality the EU with steroids, in other words the Stalinoids in the EU would be saying, Europe is now a single nation, and we aim for capitalism in one country!<br /><br />To say Stalin was a Brexiter or trying to link Brexiters with Stalin is idiocy of the highest order. Brexiters might be racists, they might want tax havens and a bonfire of all worker, consumer and environmental regulations, they might even want socialism in one country but Stalinoids they are not.<br /><br />It is Boffy who is the Stalinoid.<br /><br />There would be a certain poetic justice if the John Mann's of this world were the ones to get Johnson's, given Corbyn has let his friends be witch-hunted out the party and let that red faced, hysteric witch-hunter in chief Mann remain in the party. In fact when Mann accosted Ken Livingstone like some red faced bloated madman the only thing Corbyn could do was say to Mann, don't do it again. Pathetic! Chickens coming home to roost.<br /><br />As for the deal, the UK is still heavily tied to the EU but doesn't get to determine any of its rules. Seriously, isn't remaining just the better option! Who in their right mind would think this deal was better than remaining? Total idiocy!<br /><br />theOnlySanePersonOnPlanetEarthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-68333997277442521212019-10-19T08:54:36.449+01:002019-10-19T08:54:36.449+01:00David Parry, I agree local is the only future for ...David Parry, I agree local is the only future for genuine democracy, but it is a theory in denial - national/ supranational government must always exist within a globalised economy. Speedynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-84030411266853930972019-10-18T21:50:54.813+01:002019-10-18T21:50:54.813+01:00Dipper,
'My view is if Parliament don't v...Dipper,<br /><br />'My view is if Parliament don't vote for this deal they are digging themselves ito a very big hole.'<br /><br />Then let it dig itself into a hole, and with any luck, implode! That way, it should be that little bit easier to set about building real democracy (i.e. communities managing their affairs through participatory, consensus-based decision-making) in its place!David Parryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16543341419630019419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-32829341827485727852019-10-18T21:34:05.565+01:002019-10-18T21:34:05.565+01:00Yes Jim. I don't think anyone reading the piec...Yes Jim. I don't think anyone reading the piece above could possibly conclude otherwise.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-50625233761709307972019-10-18T18:17:23.840+01:002019-10-18T18:17:23.840+01:00So: should any Labour MP voting for Johnson's ...So: should any Labour MP voting for Johnson's deal have the whip withdrawn? A simple question: what do you think, Phil?Jim Denhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01642992463679646250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-49426291891341985442019-10-18T15:53:57.427+01:002019-10-18T15:53:57.427+01:00Johnson/Cummings done a great job here. This is Br...Johnson/Cummings done a great job here. This is Brexit as promised - out of the CU, but maintaining close relations with the EU.<br /><br />Voting against this deal isn't voting against this deal because there is a better version round the corner, or because this isn't the deal people voted for, it is voting against it because you don't like the notion of the UK leaving the EU and want to overturn the 2016 referendum. As such voting against it is an attack on democracy.<br /><br />The idea we can have some kind of referendum and get closure is nonsense. My view is if Parliament don't vote for this deal they are digging themselves ito a very big hole. Dippernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-90700392603994547702019-10-18T13:02:29.233+01:002019-10-18T13:02:29.233+01:00So Boris looks like winning, then - Brexit and the...So Boris looks like winning, then - Brexit and the election. I'm not sure Labour precisely has itself to blame (other than Corbyn's lukewarm support for Remain) because there was little it could do once May refused to go for a "one nation Brexit", however, one has to wonder what Lexiters thought Brexit should look like - presumably little different to this, as it amounts to the same thing. Labour under Corbyn is null, just as Corbyn's politics is null. Had there been Cooper (your original choice) instead of Corbyn, apart from the fact that there might not be a Brexit, Labour could have called a vote of No Confidence, won, and gone on to win an election. That is the extent of the disaster of Corbynism. Speedynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-46445106466163980352019-10-18T09:42:51.797+01:002019-10-18T09:42:51.797+01:00Watching Ronnie Campbell on Newsnight defending th...Watching Ronnie Campbell on Newsnight defending the right-wing Johnson was sickening. It shows just what a syphilis within the labour movement Stalinism and its reactionary nationalist ideology has been, that otherwise solid working-class fighters like him, can be poisoned by it, and led into adopting thoroughly reactionary positions in alliance with thoroughly reactionary political forces.Boffyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08157650969929097569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-15678268827576340562019-10-18T09:39:54.604+01:002019-10-18T09:39:54.604+01:00It seems the claims that Johnson and Cummings not ...It seems the claims that Johnson and Cummings not being clever strategists may have been wrong after all. Or, more correctly it shows that the strategy pursued by Labour and all those who advocated "respecting the referendum" was so abysmally bad, not to say thoroughly unprincipled.<br /><br />The reality is, as I said from the beginning, Johnson's goal never was a No Deal Brexit, and all of Labour's concentration on such a possibility meant that Johnson could get on with his real aim of trying to ensure a majority Tory government.<br /><br />By focussing on No Deal, Labour and the Liberals, Greens SNP and Plaid, always made "A Deal" the lesser evil that some MP's could use as justification for voting for it. The reality always was that Johnson could never have pursued No Deal, precisely because it would have been so catastrophic as to kill his government, and Brexit for ever.<br /><br />As I wrote several weeks ago, by presuming that Johnson's main aim was some clever manoeuvre to get through No Deal, Labour gave away the chance to have brought down Johnson's government, and call a General Election. In reality, Labour did not want an election, because its disastrous pro-Brexit stance over the last three years has seen it haemorrhage most of the votes it won over in 2017, to anti-Brexit parties.<br /><br />Now, Labour's disastrous strategy means that it is likely not to stop Johnson pushing through an even more reactionary deal than May proposed, that Johnson will claw back the spineless rebels, and claim credit for pushing through his deal, and be able to win a sizeable majority in the upcoming election, whilst it is Labour that is likely to suffer further defections and splits. <br /><br />Even if Johnson does lose the vote on Saturday, his other strategy is in place. He will blame parliament, and Labour in particular for sabotaging his deal. He will refuse to comply with the Benn Act, thereby forcing the rabble alliance to try to appoint a caretaker PM to ask for an extension, enhancing the divisions amongst them. It will mean an inevitable election, which Johnson will be well placed to win, against such a divided, incompetent, and unprincipled opposition.Boffyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08157650969929097569noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-48090693393747995332019-10-18T08:49:14.577+01:002019-10-18T08:49:14.577+01:00The perils of late night blogging!The perils of late night blogging!Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06298147857234479278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-55788015475693363102019-10-18T07:15:05.492+01:002019-10-18T07:15:05.492+01:00Bell wether, It’s the leading sheep.
Bell wether, It’s the leading sheep.<br />Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00377904046439554309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4486641877026778105.post-36824591725805015542019-10-17T22:53:41.893+01:002019-10-17T22:53:41.893+01:00Any Labour MP's (yes: that includes you, Garet...Any Labour MP's (yes: that includes you, Gareth Snell and you, Ruth Smeeth), who vote in favour of this must have the whop removed at the very least: they would be betrayers on a scale not seen since Ramsay McDonald.Jim Denhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01642992463679646250noreply@blogger.com